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311evo
07-21-2010, 06:46 PM
I will never hear the end of this in PM's. Your tuner can't tune...we make more power on pump than you do on E85...blah blah blah. sigh.

Tell him to eat shit then, why talk to him about stuff like that when they're obviously oblivious to what should happen in a tune, and that people don't fall for their stupid numbers.

turbotalon1g
07-21-2010, 08:11 PM
Yeah, they claim to get 490whp on an FP Red on pump gas. 30psi on pump? Motor-blowing tunes to be sure.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-x-dyno-results/489810-top-level-pushes-jokers-evo-x-490hp-pump.html

Plenty of people are running high boost on pump gas, yes 92 or 93 not E85

Murlo26
07-21-2010, 08:23 PM
I question more the amount of timing they can put in. I showed Shane the timing they say they are running and he says he has trouble running the amount they do on pump gas.

I think it is some local New York war between tuners and now all the new york people think "their" tuner is better and the local tuners there have just inflated their shit beyond reasonable, like the florida dynos.

mlomker
07-21-2010, 09:02 PM
Plenty of people are running high boost on pump gas, yes 92 or 93 not E85

Feel free to show me some sheets, then. I haven't seen any legit Evo tuners do it.

scheides
07-21-2010, 09:36 PM
Feel free to show me some sheets, then. I haven't seen any legit Evo tuners do it.

Buschur does it all the time. I can't say I recommend it, but yea. I ran 28 on my BBK setup pretty reliably though. If the setup/turbo can handle it, and you feel like pushing it, go for it. But yea, who knows.

turbotalon1g
07-21-2010, 10:04 PM
Feel free to show me some sheets, then. I haven't seen any legit Evo tuners do it.

Feel free to search sites other than EVO X bullshit. Turbo cars have been around for a while and so has the tuning.

*Edit* the almighty scheides has spoken, maybe u will realize the troof now!!

mlomker
07-21-2010, 11:12 PM
Buschur does it all the time. I can't say I recommend it

Buschur has more than their share of blown motors from pushing their luck. Sometimes they blow shit up just to find the limits. That's their prerogative given that they build engines for profit.

Your second sentence is what's relevant to me. Would GST, AMS, or Shane run 30psi on pump?

Murlo26
07-21-2010, 11:20 PM
I don't think we never said you couldn't but as most good tuners even say in the espec threads...why you running 30psi, it only takes one bad tank of gas and kablamo!

No thanks, no good tuner would run that high of boost on any 93 oct.

Regardless, even if they did, they would have to keep the timing low to compensate so I don't think anymore power would be made.

311evo
07-21-2010, 11:56 PM
Keep in mind everyone, some places have WAY better pump gas then the piss that MN gets.

mlomker
07-22-2010, 08:27 AM
Keep in mind everyone, some places have WAY better pump gas then the piss that MN gets.

These guys are in NY and they do seem to be blessed in that regard.