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Kracka
03-27-2013, 09:44 AM
Safe and consistency are two very different words.

Is E85 safe? Depends.
Is E85 consistent? Definitely not.

The problem isn't the ethanol itself, it's the crap the blenders mix with it to make E85.

Murlo26
03-27-2013, 09:48 AM
Safe and consistency are two very different words.

Is E85 safe? Depends.
Is E85 consistent? Definitely not.

The problem isn't the ethanol itself, it's the crap the blenders mix with it to make E85.

Different yes, but they can be directly related for sure.

TRUE E85 is awesome, I agree its the crap that gets mixed in that is the problem. But if you buy real E85, or even C85 (c16/e85 mix) then you have some baller ass stuff.

Obviously many many people run it, especially in evos and for the amount of people that use it there are not a ton of failures, especially considering how hard people push it.

Also, I would imagine texas has a lot more consistent e85 than us MN'ers.

Shane@DBPerformance
03-27-2013, 09:54 AM
Safe and consistency are two very different words.

Is E85 safe? Depends.
Is E85 consistent? Definitely not.

The problem isn't the ethanol itself, it's the crap the blenders mix with it to make E85.

How do I "like" this post? :)

Kracka
03-27-2013, 10:02 AM
How do I "like" this post? :)
Consider it liked!
Different yes, but they can be directly related for sure.

TRUE E85 is awesome, I agree its the crap that gets mixed in that is the problem. But if you buy real E85, or even C85 (c16/e85 mix) then you have some baller ass stuff.

Obviously many many people run it, especially in evos and for the amount of people that use it there are not a ton of failures, especially considering how hard people push it.

Also, I would imagine texas has a lot more consistent e85 than us MN'ers.
C85, E98, or E85 from VP Fuels, for example, is an entirely different animal than pumping it from the corner station. Those have controls and consistent quality, the corner station's E85 does not. I can assure you the ethanol that VP uses is of the utmost quality though, and the denaturant is exactly what you want and where you want it (natural gasoline from Conway, KS blended in at 2.2-2.4%) ;)

E85 down here is a double-edged sword, on one hand we have more consistent ethanol blend percentage, but on the other hand the blendstock seems to be worse quality overall. It's this blendstock that causes injectors to get sludgy, and with unknown blendstock, it is very important to run a tank of quality premium gasoline through the system every few weeks.

93gtpeater
03-27-2013, 10:53 AM
You could always buy a 55 gallon drum and blend your own e85

Murlo26
03-27-2013, 11:02 AM
You could always buy a 55 gallon drum and blend your own e85

To me that takes out the "convenience" of e85 though which is a huge reason I run it.

If I had to do that I would probably opt for a different form of race gas, be it buying e85/c85/e98 by the barrel or c16/ms109 or vp import or something.

once you graduate to the whole barrel for fueling then it becomes a whole new game in my mind. And also at that point, I'd rather have something that didn't require a HUGE fuel system, so I'd opt for race fuel over e85 variants.

Kracka
03-27-2013, 11:03 AM
How? Buy a drum of E98? At that point, just run the E98.

Murlo26
03-27-2013, 11:12 AM
How? Buy a drum of E98? At that point, just run the E98.

Is this toward me? I think I was basically saying this lol.

93gtpeater
03-27-2013, 11:28 AM
I say stick to pump gas. E85 is great if you can get real e85 all the time. But with how much money you guys got into your cars I say stick with pump gas.

evotuner
03-27-2013, 12:14 PM
I love E85 havent had one problem...yet lol. Ron does all my tuning, cant go wrong their. I have a Zeitronix ECA for easy monitoring and evoscan for logging some WOT pulls.