March for health care!

[A//// Guy]

I only posted about Obama because Tom brought him in here saying we are all AntiObama... which despite the fact I am, I focused on healthcare. May want to read the posts before you just start throwing my name in there. :)

[polishmafia]

I have a feeling that most of the people who argue politics on here have no idea what is going on. They hear their parents or friends talk down on the plan (or other issues) and think that it is the best side of the story.

This is not a personal attack on you, but what you said is complete idiotic. The majority of the people on this site are adults who are smart enough to do their own research and make rational decisions based on facts.

I could just as easily turn your statement back onto you and say that you have only heard what your parents or friends have said to you.

So don't assume or "have feelings" that the majority of Style members are uneducated peons who spit rhetorical bullshit that they heard from others.

I bought a house when I was ~19 and going to college. Since I didn't live at home anymore I was not covered under our familiy insurance. Coverage was too expensive so I couldn't afford any.

You had enough income to afford a house, and had income to pay for all of the utilities and upkeep that comes with owning a house. But you couldn't afford health insurance?

Maybe your priorities were not aligned with what you should have done in the situation... I'm not sure, and I'm not assuming. Could you have rented an apartment and had money to pay for health insurance? Again, I don't know and I'm not assuming anything.

inusurance companies do try and force you to go to certain doctors, they call it being in the network. If you want to go to a specialist, you typically have to get a referral by someone in the network to get out. An example of this was when a doctor at Park Nicolate had to refer my mom to the Mayo Clinic.

Yes, most insurance companies prefer you go to a doctor that is in network. A doctor that is contracted with the insurance company so that rates for services are already set. Insurance companies do this to keep costs DOWN.

On any insurance plan, you can go to any doctor you want, but if you choose to go to a doctor that is outside of the network, that is your choice and you have to pay for it.

The days of the HMO are over for the most part. The majority of health insurance plans these days are set up so that you do not need to be referred to a specialist. Why? Because why should the consumer or health insurance companies pay two claims when only one visit is needed? Again, it tries to keep costs down. If a specialist is needed that is not within the network, then yes, you need a referral to, again, keep the total cost to the consumer down.

But your one example of your Mom being referred to a specialist is far more convicing than the 10 million claims my company processes each month.

So really... whos the one talking about this subject from what they've heard from their parents? :P

[1QUICK4]

Go back to page 1, hit Ctrl + F and search for Obama. First you will notice that the first post by Joesushi mentions him, then you will see it on posts by:

Matt D
Tom
A/// Guy
Fattyboombatty
Halon



If you would've read the posts you will see there is only one post talking even remotely bad about Obama and that was Matt D. So get over this he's your President blah blah blah. Nobody is arguing that. We are arguing healthcare.


^^ Well good for you. I bought a house when I was ~19 and going to college. Since I didn't live at home anymore I was not covered under our familiy insurance. Coverage was too expensive so I couldn't afford any. My old job didn't offer it so I was without for over 3 years. If there was a reasonable option I would have gotten it.

If healthcare was that important to you you could've adjusted your life to have it. Don't make it out that it wasn't available to you because it was. It seems you'd just rather spend your money on a nice house, your education, and your toys. There were and are many affordable plans out there.

Hell, I lived on my own from the time I was 16 on and I've always had healthcare. Sure sometimes it is a higher deductable plan but guess what. I don't go to the doctor for bullshit like most people. It will save your ass when you need a $190K operation or procedure. When the bill is $190K, $5K deductable is very resonable

There is coverage out there right now for under $100 a month.

[Halon]

Go back to page 1, hit Ctrl + F and search for Obama. First you will notice that the first post by Joesushi mentions him, then you will see it on posts by:

Matt D
Tom
A/// Guy
Fattyboombatty
Halon

That is just PAGE 1. You can go through the other pages if you like but it is not just Tom and I talking about Obama.

C'mon now, that message is entirely misleading.

I see my name on that list. But my use of "Obama" was asking why he was being brought up by others in this topic, when the debate isn't about him, it's about healthcare.

That's ridiculous...

[Captian James F. Awesome]

FWIW, for the guys talking about the state of Minnesota provided healthcare, it should be noted that we have some unusually generous benefits utilizing one of the only working healthcare co-ops in the nation (Healthpartners). Some look to it as a model of what the nation could adopt as part of it's policy.

[Halon]

And I also question the reasoning of purchasing a house at the age of 19, and having the means to do so and afford all your "toys", but not having enough for healthcare. Like was said, if healthcare is that important to you, then how was that not accounted for in your own personal budget before purchasing a house as a teenager?

At the same time though, I don't know your personal situation and there may be a very good reason for it all.

I wonder though, do you feel bad for those who complain that are on welfare, no insurance, yet drive around in nice Cadillac's? Or do you feel that maybe if they're in that kind of situation, maybe they should consider re-prioritizing their budget?

[Matt D.]

^^ Well good for you. I bought a house when I was ~19 and going to college.
Beat a dead horse much? Vipers, buying a house when you're 19, get over yourself. My point was that the system worked for me when I needed it and it was extremely affordable.

[Kracka]

Instead of talking about how much stuff you bought and all your fun toys, maybe you should instead tell us how you've help benefit society and spread the wealth rather than how you've profited off it. After all, that is what socialism, which you seem to love, is all about. Funny how hypocritical people become when you start talking about their personal wealth rather than just the citizens and taxpayers as a whole.

[Forced Fed]

This should be a post about how we should be marching AGAINST Obama's health care, not for it.

[311evo]

This should be a post about how we should be marching AGAINST Obama's health care, not for it.

I think it pretty much is right now.

Remember how much shit was talked about bush by the Liberals (and some conservatives)?

That was after years of being in office, people don't just sit back and take whatever shit their government throws at them because "He's our president and theres nothing we can do about it."

Everyone in here is just stating what they believe in, and where our government should stick their healthcare plan. But I suppose that makes us "Bible thumping inbred racist conservatives" heh?