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v8klla
09-30-2008, 10:56 AM
How would the first part of this affect the average person? Just because a business is making more money doesn't mean it will go to the workers. The business owner will most likely reinvest it in a way to make even more money.

You are exactly right but you are missing one big part of that equation. More money for small business owners = More money to invest / grow the business = More Jobs. I highlighted the important part ;)
tpunx99GSX
09-30-2008, 11:27 AM
You are exactly right but you are missing one big part of that equation. More money for small business owners = More money to invest / grow the business = More Jobs. I highlighted the important part ;)
Hard to grow the business when you cant get a loan. Way to "Save the country" on that one John McCain. (Of course when his "Im going to suspend my campaign and save the country" didnt work he blames the other guy)
A//// Guy
09-30-2008, 11:37 AM
Haha! So the economy turning to shit is now Mccain's fault? Tom... come on.

Sure he wanted to postpone the debates, and to be honest maybe they should have, because we still dont have a bailout deal that they can agree on.

We are F-ed.
tpunx99GSX
09-30-2008, 12:00 PM
Haha! So the economy turning to shit is now Mccain's fault? Tom... come on.

Sure he wanted to postpone the debates, and to be honest maybe they should have, because we still dont have a bailout deal that they can agree on.

We are F-ed.

McCain in his press conference said that he was going to suspend his campaign to go work out this deal and get the senate and house running and save this country. McCain put his ownership on it by claiming that by him going to washington it was somehow going to make everything better. Then yesturday he claims that they have reached a agreement (and honestly it should have passed) but in reality McCain had nothing to do with that bill, and when he claims that hes not going to just phone in his vote and that something of this magnitude he really needs to be there and those who phone their votes in arent meant to be leaders, WHAT DOES HE DO? Phones his vote in. GG RETARD. By him taking ownership of this bill (not in the literal) and putting his stamp of approval he said he was going to have his parties backing, The bill did not pass. Sorry John :rude: So what does he do? Blames Obama??? For injecting partisanship into this negotiation??? Who was it that called for the candidates to go to washington for a photo op with the president and senate leaders? If you dont see whats going on you are blind.
are you really saying that those 90 minutes of debate hurt the bill? The people really need to know what the next president is going to do about the economy, and that will go a lot further then john mccain and obama taking pictures in the white house. Hell Obama said that he wanted to stay out of washington and let the Committee do their work, instead of bringing all of the lights and cameras into the problem.
BLaCk_1cE
09-30-2008, 12:13 PM
2 videos Obama's campaign should be using

http://dmiessler.com/blog/the-two-mccain-videos-that-obamas-campaign-should-be-using

Im not for either of the 2 candidates personally, so this is just somewhat of a devils advocate on my part. Im sure I could find just the same towards Obamas campaign as well.
slowbubblecar
09-30-2008, 01:04 PM
You are exactly right but you are missing one big part of that equation. More money for small business owners = More money to invest / grow the business = More Jobs. I highlighted the important part ;)

Just because people make more money doesn't mean there will be more jobs. It all depends on the person and the business. I know many small businesses that won't expand no matter how much money they make. People start businesses to make money, not employ people. The same goes for the stock market. People invest in the stock market to generate a return on their money, not to employ others.


I am not set on either canidate, just sharing my point of view in the thread.
mdost03
09-30-2008, 02:12 PM
Just because people make more money doesn't mean there will be more jobs. It all depends on the person and the business. I know many small businesses that won't expand no matter how much money they make. People start businesses to make money, not employ people. The same goes for the stock market. People invest in the stock market to generate a return on their money, not to employ others.

Wow, you almost lost me on this one.

It's like building up a car, you make so much power and once you get used to that, you want to have more to get that feeling that you own a fast car. If a business owner is making more and more money, he very well should be looking into expanding his business to continue the money-making.

You say people start businesses to make money. Well why would they shoot themselves in the foot if they are making more to be able to expand and don't hire more people?
Matt D.
09-30-2008, 02:50 PM
Tom, watch this and explain how you even sleep at night with supporting your precious Obama and democratic party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

These criminals who ran these banks into the ground have triggered this bailout plan that you now support. The plan that will be funded by tax payers like us, only to give money to people who don't deserve it.
slowbubblecar
09-30-2008, 03:51 PM
Wow, you almost lost me on this one.

It's like building up a car, you make so much power and once you get used to that, you want to have more to get that feeling that you own a fast car. If a business owner is making more and more money, he very well should be looking into expanding his business to continue the money-making.

You say people start businesses to make money. Well why would they shoot themselves in the foot if they are making more to be able to expand and don't hire more people?

I am saying people invest to make money, not employ people. Some smaller businesses don't have any plans on expanding. I wonder if any of the local shop sponsors on here plan on going global? Some businesses are comfortable with where they are at. Adding offices and hiring more employees lead to more risks. Some people aren't comfortable taking those risks.
tpunx99GSX
09-30-2008, 05:19 PM
Tom, watch this and explain how you even sleep at night with supporting your precious Obama and democratic party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

These criminals who ran these banks into the ground have triggered this bailout plan that you now support. The plan that will be funded by tax payers like us, only to give money to people who don't deserve it.

Sure they dont deserve it, But if we do nothing we run the risk of having a stock market crash (you seen what happened. after the bailout failed). Granted the stock market droping 777 points was mostly in part of fear. But without this bailout it will be near impossible for small businesses to get loans, students to get loans, Possibility of peoples credit card limits to be lowered, etc. This affects everyone, and if you choose to believe the youtube propaganda that the economy isnt going to be affected if we do nothing then you have some reading to do. This really is something i would like to be wrong on, I would love to think everything is peachy keen and everything will be fine if we do nothing, but that just will not be the case.
Obama pushed for more regulation, making the bill not help pay CEO salaries, and taxpayer protections. McCain is for Deregulation and offered no additional input on this bailout. And then tried to take credit for Obama's additions.
You are letting your emotions affect your judgement on this one by saying "Well they got us into this so lets shoot down anything that has dem backing" instead of thinking logically on what is best for this country.