I'll Probably be banned for this again....

[MATCHBX]

That's your problem then if you don't pay for your own health insurance. Not mine and the rest of the tax payers. There are ways of getting health coverage if your employer (you in this case I guess) doesn't offer it. It just costs more than what it would if your employer subsidized part of it (like mine and most everyone elses). Usually an employer kicks up about 1/2 to 2/3rds of what the policy premiums are and you pick up the rest. Some are more generoous, some aren't.

And to say we have the best health care system is not entirely true. But we do have some of the best treatment facilities in the world. Quite a few are right here in MN. But the healthcare system itself it flawed. What they are pushing through IS socialized health care. It's a redistribution of wealth. Those that make more HAVE to take care of those that don't (according to this new bill). It is not the way that it should be handled. I don't have all the answers myself and I'm sure most people on here don't. But we are smart enough to see what they have proposed to be very detrimental to the economy as a whole. They are taking from programs that are struggling and giving that money, along with other new tax money, to something that will just create more strain on the governments budgets.

32 million people will get insurance, but at what cost to the rest of society? The hospitals are already overrun with people going to them for every little sniffle. Now give them free health care and they WILL use it to it fullest. Not what it should be intended for as something to just help them throuogh a hard time. It would be great if this was a perfect society of people that realized that they should not take advantage of things that are offered, but use them for what they are intended for. But there are alot of people that feel that if something is available, they better use everything they can out of it in fear of there not being anything there when they need it. By doing that, they end up using up everything anyways and it runs out for honest people that are really in need.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by MATCHBX

And to say we have the best health care system is not entirely true. But we do have some of the best treatment facilities in the world. Quite a few are right here in MN. But the healthcare system itself it flawed. What they are pushing through IS socialized health care. It's a redistribution of wealth. Those that make more HAVE to take care of those that don't (according to this new bill). It is not the way that it should be handled. I don't have all the answers myself and I'm sure most people on here don't. But we are smart enough to see what they have proposed to be very detrimental to the economy as a whole. They are taking from programs that are struggling and giving that money, along with other new tax money, to something that will just create more strain on the governments budgets.

32 million people will get insurance, but at what cost to the rest of society? The hospitals are already overrun with people going to them for every little sniffle. Now give them free health care and they WILL use it to it fullest. Not what it should be intended for as something to just help them throuogh a hard time. It would be great if this was a perfect society of people that realized that they should not take advantage of things that are offered, but use them for what they are intended for. But there are alot of people that feel that if something is available, they better use everything they can out of it in fear of there not being anything there when they need it. By doing that, they end up using up everything anyways and it runs out for honest people that are really in need.

Stop using common sense in this discussion or Tom may just stop posting at all instead of ignoring/dodging your comments all together.

[MATCHBX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Stop using common sense in this discussion or Tom may just stop posting at all instead of ignoring/dodging your comments all together.

I know. You're right! I should just give up with trying reason and sensibility. I mean come on, an individual be responsible for managing their own health care? Who'da thunk that would be a good idea?!?!?!?


We just went through the "pre-existing condition" thing with my wife when we put her onto my insurance policy at work. She had a lapse in coverage within the past 18 months (it was a few months at the beginning of the 18 months) so they adjusted her starting point that she could receive benefits for a few months from when we started to pay for her. They didn't deny her for a pre-existing. So I'm sure if you lose your job AND have a pre-existing condition, there are ways of getting covered whether it's by your spouses insurance or another company when you start your next job. If you are no longer able to work because of the condition, there are programs for that too already in place. It's not the insurance companies fault you got sick. And, as was stated earlier, they are a business and retain the right to refuse service to an individual. If you can't get it through them, try some other company or program.

[2zzgtte]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Stop using common sense in this discussion or Tom may just stop posting at all instead of ignoring/dodging your comments all together.

Haha, that is a typical liberal.

Anyone see Bret Biaer interview our terrible president? Bret asked him "who is going to pay for this health care system overhaul?"

Obama says (and he wasted 5 minutes saying nothing) "Well what we are doing here is we are taking a vote. We are voting on health care. The people who vote yes for a a government run health care will be voting yes for government run health care. The people who vote no for the overhaul, will be voting no for government run health care."...

Saying a lot about nothing...