Shooting at Fort Hood, TX - Page 2

**Kracka** · 11-07-2009

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Maybe we have a huge conflict of interest in the military these days.

Of course we have a huge conflict of interest! I spoke with a family member of mine in the military and asked why we allow muslims in the United States military and I was told its because we're desperate for soldiers. Seems a bit counter-productive as this event has proved if you ask me...

hellomynameis · 11-09-2009

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Of course we have a huge conflict of interest! I spoke with a family member of mine in the military and asked why we allow muslims in the United States military and I was told its because we're desperate for soldiers. Seems a bit counter-productive as this event has proved if you ask me...

It's disappointing that you say this, especially considering that intolerance is much of the reason we're currently fighting terrorism in much of the middle east. Are you really in favor of excluding certain people based on their religious beliefs, country of origin, or any other reason?

The people who tend to commit acts of terrorism, which this particular scenario doesn't yet seem to be proven one, more often than not are extremists. They are violently intolerant of anything other than their own views on [insert anything here]. The same extreme intolerance appears in this thread, and especially in this comment....I really hope that no one on 'Style is a bigot in this day and age.

**Kracka** · 11-09-2009

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Originally Posted by hellomynameis

It's disappointing that you say this, especially considering that intolerance is much of the reason we're currently fighting terrorism in much of the middle east. Are you really in favor of excluding certain people based on their religious beliefs, country of origin, or any other reason?

When that's the exact group of people we're fighting then yes I do believe they should be excluded; if not its just a giant conflict of interest. Call me what you will, but enlisting a practicing muslim to fight other muslims, especially when its for the "white Christians," just doesn't make sense.

**Kracka** · 11-09-2009

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us/10inquire.html

"Mr. Awlaki said Monday on his English language Web site that Mr. Hasan was “a hero.” The cleric said, “He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people.”

He added, “The only way a Muslim could Islamically justified serving as a solider in the U.S. Army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal.”"

hellomynameis · 11-09-2009

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Originally Posted by Kracka

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us/10inquire.html

"Mr. Awlaki said Monday on his English language Web site that Mr. Hasan was “a hero.” The cleric said, “He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people.”

He added, “The only way a Muslim could Islamically justified serving as a solider in the U.S. Army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal.”"

All Muslims are not terrorists, and I'd have to imagine that there are plenty of Muslims that proudly serve in the US Armed Services. They serve on behalf of the American people, which are comprised of Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, ad nauseum. They make take their orders from the Commander in Chief, who happens to be a Christian, but they serve on behalf of all of us. They are currently protecting the interests of the people who live in this country, not one man. I noticed this in the Fox News article you linked to as well but decided to not bring it up in my earlier post.

I'm not commenting on this specific incident, he very well may have been a terrorist and joined the military for the sole reason of doing this. I don't know. However, it is deplorable to support segregation of any kind.

By the way, we're not at war with 'the Muslims'.

**Kracka** · 11-09-2009

Luckily in this country we all have the right to form our own opinions

I'm also glad that I finally live in a state that generally agrees with mine.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...5A85DK20091109

**Kracka** · 11-09-2009

Now that this guy is awake and talking they should drag him into the yard, open fire on him, and let him go tell his god face to face how great he is.

Seriously though, will he be prosecuted under TX state law allowing the death penalty or will a separate set of military law come into play?

*edit*
I just looked into it a bit further and it is possible he will face the death penalty.

**1ViciousGSX** · 11-09-2009

Whoopy, let's save him so we can KILL HIM!!!!

**Kracka** · 11-09-2009

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Whoopy, let's save him so we can KILL HIM!!!!

I personally feel they should have let him bleed out in the field...

**1ViciousGSX** · 11-09-2009

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Originally Posted by Kracka

I personally feel they should have let him bleed out in the field...

Yeah, me too. But then the doctors wouldn't paid, the lawyers wouldn't get paid, the judges wouldn't get paid, the funeral homes wouldn't get paid and so on. Gotta love how that "Hope and Change" is working. Welcome to the liberal way of life!!

**Kracka** · 11-09-2009

LOL its amazing isn't it? I'm just sitting here patiently awaiting the Republic of Texas to secede from the US

**1ViciousGSX** · 11-09-2009

Oh and I forgot that the media would only get one weeks worth of coverage, but now they get decades worth of material!!!

**Kracka** · 11-09-2009

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Originally Posted by hellomynameis

By the way, we're not at war with 'the Muslims'.

We're not? They attribute this terror we're fighting as muslim religious purpose. Of course for political correctness reasons they can not label this as a war on muslims, but the words muslim and terrorist have become more interchangeable as this drags on and people are continually blown up in the name of their god.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110903618.html

TheBlizzard · 11-09-2009

I didn't read this thread for a few days because I knew what would be in it, and I was right, whenever this type of shit happens you will always different sides of opinion. However, you will always get the whiny tree huggers that will say that it had nothing to do with religion and personal background. What fucking planet are you on?

Of course it has everything to do with religion, it has everything to do with the fact that we let individuals into our military that practice the same religion as the people we have been fighting against for years.

How many fucking times is this country going to get burned before we say fuck all of these assholes and not let any of them do shit, even come into this country for that matter.

Sure it is ignorant to label every person that wears a rag on their head a terrorist, but at the end of the day can you blame anyone for thinking that? Look at what has happened over the years, we trust, try to be diverse, equal opportunity, free speech (religion), then in the end innocent people get fucking killed because some towel head got a calling from his god and started shooting everybody.

Great he will get the dealth penalty, but thats even bitter sweet, easy way out since most of those douche bags want to fucking die anyway, there are plenty of better ways to make him pay for what he did (insert anything here).

"Nidal Hassan (sic) is a hero," Awlaki said. "He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."

That says it all. This whole thing just pisses me off, especially people who are sticking up and feeling bad for this guy.

**asshanson** · 11-10-2009

I'm not sticking up for the guy, and I would push capital punishment for him. But I disagree with disallowing Muslims in the military. Sure we are at war with some of them right now, but if we ever go to war with a country of white people of Christian beliefs, should most of the military not be allowed to fight against them?

I know there are millions of Muslims that don't agree with the actions of terrorists; it's not acceptable in my opinion to group them all together. They don't all want to destroy our country. I'm good friends with people of different beliefs and they don't want to kill for religious differences.

polishmafia · 11-10-2009

Kracka for President of the One United State of Texas!

Along the same lines of discussion in this thread... I have a close family friend who grew up in Iraq, and hearing his views on what happened in Iraq the last 20 years really makes you feel different feelings across the board. I can understand where the feelings of this "solider" are coming from, but there is absolutely no excuse for what he did. As far as I am concerned he is a domestic terrorist and should be executed... painfully.

**Kracka** · 11-10-2009

Well said Blizz.

My question is why do these muslims live here if they hate our country and military so much? Go back to your own damn country and get blown up in some market by another whack-job. Gee, that sounds wonderful, no wonder they hate America... Oh yeah, its because we "allow" our women to show their faces in public!

TheBlizzard · 11-10-2009

Yeah we just had a little talk about this at work, a buddy of mine that just got back from Iraq said that they are so desperate for soldiers that they will enlist individuals before they are even citizens of the US, once they are enlisted they rush them through the citizenship process and on they go.

It's our open door policy that is fucked up, if it were up to me I would close the fucking gates to all these douche bags that want to come to the US and fly their home countries flags and shit. If your country is so great and you are so proud of it that you want to paste your flag in the bag of your truck then GO BACK THERE!

I think this country has done enough helping out for awhile, stop immigration until you can take care of your own people first, stop fighting other peoples battles and fix shit in the US first. If we stopped taking in all these fucking terrorists, through attrition we wouldn't have to worry as much about it. But with our open door policy it will just never stop, I read some stat that there is an estimated 5,000 single sleeper cell terrorists in the US at any given time.

My question is HOW THE FUCK DID THEY GET HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

**1ViciousGSX** · 11-10-2009

Kracka and Blizzard hit it on the head of the nail!

If anybody wants to turn this country into something that models what another country is or does, why not just pack your shit and move there??? Sure seems like the easiest thing to do instead of wasting years of your life trying to change this country. See, this one thing is what really separates the liberals from the conservatives. Conservatives think YOU have the ability to take care of your self and that government should just be the "watch dog" that lays out the laws that make it fair for everybody to be on a level playing field, makes sure those laws are followed while getting out of the way and standing on the sidelines of your life. Liberals on the other hand think YOU can't wipe your own ass without them telling you what's the best way to do it while taxing you to death to support the "how to wipe your ass" agency they created to put your money into their pockets.

hellomynameis · 11-10-2009

So, let me get this straight. Based on what most of you have said here it sounds like you guys would have been in favor of the Japanese internment camps during World War 2. Do you also favor McCarthyism?

And, 1ViciousGSX, when you say "If anybody wants to turn this country into something that models what another country is or does..." who or what are you referring to? Correct me if I am wrong but I'm pretty sure this country was founded under the principles of equality for all men and freedom from political and religious persecution.

Reminds me of simple quote: Those who forget the past are condemmed to repeat it.