Shooting at Fort Hood, TX

[Kracka]

Reminds me of simple quote: Those who forget the past are condemmed to repeat it.
I agree. We need to learn from the past (last week) and make the necessary changes. Its what those changes are that we differ on.

I was actually going to bring the Japanese internment camps up in a previous post but decided against it to not stir up a whole new can of worms, but in short, I feel this country did what it had to do to best protect itself. In hindsight it probably was not the best decision as the only convicted Japanese spys were white, but hindsight is 20/20 and it very easily could have gone the opposite direction.

[A//// Guy]

I also dont know how you guys can say all muslims shouldnt be allowed to fight for our country... Im all for fair punishment but you group all of that religion into one category.

It is just like the Japanese camps in WW2, thats a perfect analogy. You cant blame a whole group of similar people for one man or one corrupt groups actions...

[1ViciousGSX]

So, let me get this straight. Based on what most of you have said here it sounds like you guys would have been in favor of the Japanese internment camps during World War 2. Do you also favor McCarthyism?
No need for camps during war. This is how I look at it. Everybody has their view of life, religion, war, etc. But if there is a clear sign of conflict of interest, then some considerations should be made. The FBI admits they knew he was contacting members of al Qaeda, yet because of political correctness, innocent people who were serving this country (you and me) were killed. This is where the "less of two evils" comes into play. I would rather this one individual be inconveniently bothered with questions about his beliefs while in our military, than have 13 people die and 30+ get injured. Common sense goes a long way, too bad it doesn't get practiced that much anymore.

And, 1ViciousGSX, when you say "If anybody wants to turn this country into something that models what another country is or does..." who or what are you referring to? Correct me if I am wrong but I'm pretty sure this country was founded under the principles of equality for all men and freedom from political and religious persecution.
I'm referring to people who think they know what's best for the rest of us, based solely on their financial status and political or religious beliefs. We are "The Last Place of True Freedom" in the modern world. People come here from other countries because of our Constitution. "Because America is Great". But it seems once they get here it turns into "Hey America is cool, but it should be more like my old country". If you are here, you are on American soil, so act like it. I think it's a disgrace to come here and protest our flag while waving your own. It's cool if you are from another country and want to represent your homeland, BUT the American flag should fly above any other country flag on your flag pole.

Reminds me of simple quote: Those who forget the past are condemmed to repeat it.Funny you should say that, this country was founded by a group of men who had enough of high taxation and the iron clad rule of a king (insert government here) where their freedoms were taken away. Open your eyes and you will see.

Example, Obamas-Pelosi Care has a provision to force you to buy health insurance or pay a fine or go to jail. Their argument is that it's not fair for everybody else to pay for your coverage. But isn't that what is happening? Quote "We are insuring the uninsured". If I choose not to have health care insurance, how does that cost you more? If I'm sick and go to the hospital, the insurance company is not loosing money because they are not paying for my treatment, I am. Read the bill and show me one section that truly improves your health care. It's all about power, money and bureaucracy. Did you know there is a provision that stops you from personally paying for a treatment that is not covered by Obama-Pelosi Care? No, I'm not making it up.

[TheBlizzard]

Every country has made mistakes in the past and punished innocent people for what others have done, thats life, and the same thing happens in all forms. Look at how many people are wrongly convicted of crimes because of stereotyping, people just have to get over it and move on.

Muslims shouldn't get offended at an airport when people look at them funny because they have rags on their heads and are speaking a bunch of fucking jibberish. Don't they remember that a group of the same looking people took over a few jets and killed 4000+ innocent people just a number of years ago? Of course people are going to stereotype and discriminate, I mean come on.

The guy who did all the shooting was a single sleeper cell terrorist plain and simple, which just so happens to be the hardest ones to catch. But in this case there were clear signs that he could be up to something and nothing was done. Vicious said it perfectly, nothing was done because god for bid if you accuse a Muslim of being a terrorist or insinuate that he might cause harm to people around him because of his radical beliefs. This politically correct bullshit has to stop or more innocent people are going to die at the hands of these extremists.

I stand firm on my opinion, don't let anymore god damn people into this country, and through attrition you will weed out most of the shit bags that only come here to leech off the system and in rare cases kill people.

And Peter comparing WW2 to what is happening now isn't comparing apples to apples, what is happening now is far more dangerous, there isn't one group or one leader that is getting people to follow his lead, it's the religion and beliefs of one religion that is dangerous. The vastness is way to big to quantify, and you cannot pinpoint who is going to strike next. Look at this shitbag that did all the shooting, he was a soldier for years, he commited to our military knowing that he would someday do what he did. Thats why it is so dangerous, these people are willing to intergrate into society and embed themselves deep, so when they strike their impact really hits home.

Nobody wins on this subject, it will never happen, you are always going to have two sides.

[Kracka]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573166,00.html?test=latestnews

With all this proof anyone who attempts to claims this wasn't a terrorist attack is clueless.

[asshanson]

I can see this was a domestic terrorist act, and I believe military people who only fly their home country's flags not acceptable. That's just stupid.

But how about the millions of Muslim US citizens who fly the US flag in earnest? I also agree we shouldn't allow non-citizens in the military, but the point I argue is that you shouldn't discard them all as terrorists. I hope we have a few Muslim members that will agree with me.

[Project2G]

Of course we have a huge conflict of interest! I spoke with a family member of mine in the military and asked why we allow muslims in the United States military and I was told its because we're desperate for soldiers.

I dissagree with that. We are not desperate for soldiers. Every branch right now has a delayed entry program because there are so many recruits. The military is sending out troops to basic training every Monday. Just my .02 from an enlisted Marine.

[TheBlizzard]

I don't think anybody is saying all Muslim are terrorist's; that would be just plain ignorant, I can only speak for myself though. The point I am trying to make is that all Muslims have only their "own" people to blame for the stereotyping that goes on these days, they should not get offended at an Airport if they get questioned regarding their intentions to fly or what have you. If anything they should be pissed off at the people that hijacked Airplanes and killed thousands of people out of nowhere.

Muslim's need to just face reality and admit that right now is not a good time to be a practicing Muslim in the United States, not because all Muslims are terrorist's, but for the mere fact that a stereotype has been formed that they all hate the United States in some shape or form, and that they can integrate into society for years and years and then all of the sudden bam blow up a shopping mall for no reason at all.


I mean shit even serial killers have some form of motive, sex, thrill, adolesent rejection, the list goes on. These "terrorist's" have no motive other than their "god" told them it was a good idea over breakfast.:bf_nonew:

[TheBlizzard]

I dissagree with that. We are not desperate for soldiers. Every branch right now has a delayed entry program because there are so many recruits. The military is sending out troops to basic training every Monday. Just my .02 from an enlisted Marine.

So if that is true then why is the military enlisting individuals even before they are a citizen of the United States? That doesn't make sense, if we didn't need soldiers you would think they could be more selective on who they enlist, like people with the name Hassan.

[goodhart]

I dissagree with that. We are not desperate for soldiers. Every branch right now has a delayed entry program because there are so many recruits. The military is sending out troops to basic training every Monday. Just my .02 from an enlisted Marine.

x2 The MN guard is waaaay over-strength right now, to the point where new recruits are having to go on a 6-8 month waiting list just to ship to basic training.

So if that is true then why is the military enlisting individuals even before they are a citizen of the United States? That doesn't make sense, if we didn't need soldiers you would think they could be more selective on who they enlist, like people with the name Hassan.


Not allowing someone into the military because of their name is just plain stupid. Not allowing someone into the military because of their religion is called descrimination. They have been allowing non-citizens join for a long time also.

A non-citizen can enlist in the military. However, federal law prohibits non-citizens from becoming commission or warrant officers.
In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permamently residing in the United States. It's important to note that the military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. One must immigrate first, using normal immigration quotas and procedures, and once they've established an address in the United States they can find a recruiter's office and apply for enlistment. Hell, when I was in Iraq, they had a huge ass naturalization ceremony where a few hundred people got their US citizenship.