Shooting at Fort Hood, TX

[scheides]

Everyone read this!

So, um...yea. This is a car forum. I understand people are passionate about this, but seriously, you guys all need to calm down. If you are replying to an open-ended statement that someone made, no matter how thought-provoking it is, just remember: this is the Internet! This forum is here for collaboration, learning, and FUN and if you aren't here for that, then GTFO!

This is my first and last post in this thread, carry on.

[A//// Guy]

Ive always wondered what the magical Scheides thought about political topics. haha

[Kracka]

Ive always wondered what the magical Scheides thought about political topics. haha
LOL he is smart and stays out of them.

[Halon]

Dumb question:

How many of those suggesting how the military be ran (exclude certain groups), have actually served in the military, and served with someone that falls into one of these groups that should be excluded?
It's a horrible thing what happened there, lots of innocent lives were taken for no reason. But this event was done by extremeists, and to punish an entire culture based on the events done by extremists, is not right and very much not 'American' (in my opinion, which everyone has their own). I personally can't think of a more honorable and noble approach of trying to earn your citizenship into this country, than by putting your own life on the line for it.

Can I make a poor attempt at making a comparison? Did an innocent life not get taken this summer by someone from the "SC crowd" (sorry couldn't think of a better word) out on University this year late at night? I'm sure the Police in some way feel they're at 'war' with "street-racers" specifically the SC crowd (don't tell me none of you have ever felt like the cops watch you a little closer because of your car). How would you feel if they came down and put sanctions on anyone driving anything that could be lumped into that same crowd, because it's "your people" who are the problem? It's the lesser of the two evils as you put it is it not? So a lot of people get upset because they have now put a sanction on driving anything they consider a SC after dusk, but maybe we saved a life here and there... This is supposed to be a free country. That doesn't mean free to do whatever you want, but free to do what you aught to do and what is right. And what we aught to do and what is right, is to not judge others "by the color of their skin (or religion), but by the content of their character." Again, in my opinion, the day we start excluding groups based on these, is the day this country took a major step backwards.

Don't get me wrong, what happened was horrible, and they obviouslly dropped the ball on this soldier. But to punish an entire group (how many millions of people are we talking here) based on the actions of extremists, in my opinion is wrong. And it doesn't make what happened in Texas right. This guy was obviouslly one of the bad ones who slipped through the cracks somehow, and I hope he gets what he deserves.

OK that's my comment on the whole matter. I'm sure my comments will be picked out one by one by someone and ripped apart, and that's fine because everyone has their opinion. This one is simply mine.

Hasta Luego Muchachos.

[goodhart]

^^^ I agree 100%.

[A//// Guy]

Totally agree with brandon, and his comparison is pretty good.

[Kracka]

The cops do put sanctions on us down on University in the way of getting pulled over constantly for BS reasons. Like it or not injustice is a way of life.

[1ViciousGSX]

To what was said above ^^^.

I'll use your analogy:
We all know the cops look at our cars and lump us into that "group". Why? Because we as a group earned that reputation, plain and simple. If the idiots among us weren't out there running a 1/4 mile between every stop light, or drifting every corner they come to, etc., maybe the police wouldn't have a reason to do what they do to us on a daily basis. It's funny, but everybody who knows me in my home town will tell you I never street race, period. I know people who do and it's their choice to do so. I don't think it's safe and if I took an innocent life over something that stupid I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

So what has happened to lessen our issues with the police, we started policing ourselves. Stopped the street racing and stupid crap to get them off our backs. If somebody gets stupid in a parking lot with their car, we have asked them to leave or run them off. Now the police don't seemed too bothered by us so much anymore. Sure, I still get the look from cops at times, but I don't get harassed.

One thing nobody has brought up yet, but I think is a very good point. What about the men and women who serve beside the Muslim soldiers? How are they handling it? Are they wondering if they should be keeping an eye on the enemy and the Muslims serving with them? Me, I would have that in the back of my mind the whole time I would be fighting along side of them, wondering when I might become their target.

I'll say it again, I'm not a racist or bigot as others have said or implied in this thread, but I am realist, and the reality is that the Muslim community has a problem with how the few are making the many look. Maybe the Muslim community should start policing itself and get rid of the radicals and their radical beliefs towards the white man. That might go a long way with lifting the "stigma" they have at the moment.

[Halon]

And I will ask one more time...

Who here that is making comments on how the military is ran, has actually even been in the military making them able to make a knowledgable statement based on personal experience?

I'm done...

[Kracka]

The great part about America is that those of us who never were in the military are still able to form and express an opinion. The sames goes for every single person who has posted in this thread.