Shooting at Fort Hood, TX

[Kracka]

I dont get why he would be banned for that? There is a lot of racist thoughts in this thread. Its not totally direct blows, but they are there.

How does having muslims fighting for us even compare to Nazis fighting for the US back in WW2. That makes no sense at all. Nazisism isnt a religion, neither is communism. You cant compare a religion to political agenda and thought.

There is a lot of bad in this thread but we don't need member bashing to be added to that list. The forum rules are simple.

Viscious' comparison is dead-on accurate. What exactly is the difference between religion and political agenda? Nothing, both are thoughts and beliefs, nothing more.

[hellomynameis]

Viscious' comparison is dead-on accurate. What exactly is the difference between religion and political agenda? Nothing, both are thoughts and beliefs, nothing more.

No, it's not! You guys keep implying that if you are Muslim you must either be a terrorist or support terrorism. If you are a Nazi you have made a conscious decision to support certain positions on the worthiness of other people. Being a Muslim doesn't not automatically mean you hate all Americans and wish to kill them. There are millions of practicing Muslims who do not support this view and I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of them serving in the US armed forces because they do not agree with the extremist terrorist Muslims and wish to see them dead as much as you or I.

Why is this so hard to understand? Do I need to draw you a Venn diagram?

Also, for any of you who have implied that I am a liberal, you're way off the mark. I'm simply a person who doesn't accept the blanket discrimination and or segregation of anyone because it is morally wrong!

And seriously, RLFebo doesn't deserve to be banned, despite his misuse of the word racist, he's 100% correct. You guys are bigots, plain and simple. Ban me for a week, a year, or life. I don't care; you disgust me.

[A//// Guy]

Viscious' comparison is dead-on accurate. What exactly is the difference between religion and political agenda? Nothing, both are thoughts and beliefs, nothing more.

Haha wow.. the ignorance in this thread is amazing.

Negative political agendas are not the same as a personal religious belief. Unless you are using your religion to fuel war, and in some Muslims cases, this is true. You are grouping all Muslims into one category, and that's wrong.

And Im going to totally agree with Hellomynameis on the racist/ban talk.

[Kracka]

Call me names all you want if it makes you feel better about yourself, but if you break religion or political affiliation down into the simplest of terms they're both nothing more than personal (or group) thoughts, feelings, and beliefs.

[Kracka]

You guys keep implying that if you are Muslim you must either be a terrorist or support terrorism.
You guys keep saying this but please tell me where one of us has actually said it? As far as I'm concerned all of us have made it very clear that we understand not all muslims are bad people and/or terrorists.

[A//// Guy]

Then why did you guys say they shouldn't be allowed in the military?

[1ViciousGSX]

OK, let me clarify a few things:

RLFebo is banned for good reason. I, nor will any Admin here allow a personal attack on one, any, or all members of this forum for any reason. I don't care if you disagree 100% with a discussion, people (that includes you & me) are entitled to their opinions and should be allowed to say or post them without that type of outburst. As long as I've been a member of this site (which goes back to when it all started originally) it has been an open/free speech forum that allows personal expression pretty much unchecked. But we do have limits.

Do I believe Muslims should be allowed into the military, sure I do, especially if they were born and raised here. And that also comes with an understanding that anybody (not just a Muslim) can enlist for the purpose of hurting our military efforts to help the enemy. Why should we automatically trust that someone who is not a U.S. citizen would 100% be with us instead of trying to hurt us. Just seems too risky for me to allow foreigners into the military for that one reason.

I know that all Muslims are not terrorist or the enemy (and I'm sure most on this forum feel the same way), but there is no clear marker that distinguishes the honest, hard working peaceful Muslims from the ones that want to do what this guy did until it's too late. But in this case the markers were there which makes it that much worse.

Everybody needs to take a deep breath, relax a little here and understand that at a time of war, some things we don't like or think are wrong, happen for the right reason, which is protecting innocent lives and this country.

[Kracka]

Then why did you guys say they shouldn't be allowed in the military?
As a precaution against the ones who are the extremists. Fair? Not at all, but when a country is at war sometimes you need to take precautions in order to protect the military and citizens. As mentioned earlier in this thread its getting increasingly difficult to determine friend from foe and no matter what actions we take people are going to get hurt and upset, but in my mind this is the lesser of two evils. We're all free to express our own opinions on the matter, but the personal insults and name-calling needs to stop now.

[trunks11]

It is a sad irony on humanity that religions which are supposedly founded on peace are constantly used for propaganda for death and destruction. The cycle of hate continues back and forth as it always has in our history from the dawn of civilization.

Does religion cause violence, or does man use religion as an excuse for violence?

I don't know the answer. Whenever something like this happens I find myself angered by the religious affiliation of the perpetrators. However, I then realize that it is the very anger that I feel towards them that they felt at some point towards a country or religion that has fueled their actions.

From the Crusades to WWII to the Gulf War and Afghanistan; we just keep on killing each other.

[Kracka]

Both is the answer to your question. Humans are violent by nature and religion just gives us a reason to hate.