Back at it again...

[slowbubblecar]

I don't have any good info on used vipers, but they are fairly affordable if you look around a bit. We got the red one for 23k with some mods but have since sold it because my brother decided he wanted a blue/white instead. We actually got the red one to make a track car because it had 70k miles (high for a viper) and we would feel less guilty blowing that one up. My car only had 8,000 miles at the time and the black one had around 12,000.


If you go to TX2k10, look for a graphite colored 08 and a lime green TT viper with black stripes. They are both from the area and I think both will be going.

[Halon]

RRE always had some cheap FWD 1G's running around and road courses kicking some arse back in the day.

[slowbubblecar]

The faster dsms that I know of are primarily 1gs, but most of the reading I see suggests 2gs can turn better.

[turbotalon1g]

^same here.

[Matt D.]

What are you going to do about the suspension? Hopefully find some nice street tires to put on there as well.

[slowbubblecar]

Still need to research what will work well for the suspension. I talked to the guy who is trying to get a group buy together, but am not sure f I will go that route or not.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

Still need to research what will work well for the suspension. I talked to the guy who is trying to get a group buy together, but am not sure f I will go that route or not.

Since you can get aftermarket struts for DSMs I suggest going that route for now. Get some adjustable Konis with nice springs, maybe swaybars too, and you'll be good until you want to get serious.

[At-Least-It's-An-Evo]

Originally Posted by sleepydsm

Hahaha, as you guys are selling them all, go buy another one. Do DSMers ever really let go?

Yep.

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[scheides]

Why not track it as-is and worry less about building the eff out of it? Just have some fun man, isn't that what attending these races will be all about?

I say keep it super simple. A 60-trim on a road-race car? No thanks! Stick with a smaller turbo, even a basic 14b if you have to. The 16g has proven itself so many times over, just put in something like that and keep boost SUPER conservative, not "low to mid 20's" but more like 18psi. You cannot have fun at a HPDE if your car is blown up, overheating, or just plain not done.

I say keep it simple, do one thing at a time, slowly build the monster but focus more on the driving/experience/fun in the meantime

[Shane@DBPerformance]

If you want to do something bigger than a Evo 3 16G/FP68, then I would run an FP manifold and some FP bolt-on turbo. Their stuff always spools great compared to T3 frame stuff. Their 61mm turbos like the FP3065 spool as good as most T3 50-trim setups.

[95tsi]

Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

Still need to research what will work well for the suspension. I talked to the guy who is trying to get a group buy together, but am not sure f I will go that route or not.

Hopefully I will have my car up at BIR early this summer. You are more than welcome to jump in for a drive/ride. I still want a few things but suspension wise, I think it should be pretty solid. Archer used to run 350lb springs front/rear and it worked well for them. That was years ago and it seems most on Toooners have found much better setups for the cars.

Currently, I'm sitting on a used setup I picked up from Andy Smeagle(sp) in Stevens Point. He pieced it all together so my life was much easier.
consists of: Koni yellows(adjustables), Ground control perches, hyper coil springs(650fr/450r), RRE upper bearing plates, and he corner weighted it for his car(should be fairly close to my setup).

I added RM swaybars and it seems to handle fairly well. Sill need some good R tires, brakes, and a cage.

As for power, on E85 and E3 16g I'm trapping 119 in the 1/4 on a nearly full weight 2G. That is at 29lbs of boost and a 2.3. I was making more power on a 2g head and stock longblock with cams, but the TQ of the 2.3 is great. Best of luck!

Just found my older dyno sheet after Shane tuned it. Shane got it to 348awhp and 319tq at 22psi on a 7bolt with cams on the 16g and E85.

[slowbubblecar]

^ that is pretty good for that boost level on the stock motor. I was thinking of building a motor, but I am thinking I might just throw in a stock 6 bolt and leave my 2g head on to make it simple for the time being.

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Since you can get aftermarket struts for DSMs I suggest going that route for now. Get some adjustable Konis with nice springs, maybe swaybars too, and you'll be good until you want to get serious.

That is kind of what I was thinking as well. Not sure how much time I will have to put towards the car so I am planning to keep it somewhat simple to start.

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by scheides

Why not track it as-is and worry less about building the eff out of it? Just have some fun man, isn't that what attending these races will be all about?

I say keep it super simple. A 60-trim on a road-race car? No thanks! Stick with a smaller turbo, even a basic 14b if you have to. The 16g has proven itself so many times over, just put in something like that and keep boost SUPER conservative, not "low to mid 20's" but more like 18psi. You cannot have fun at a HPDE if your car is blown up, overheating, or just plain not done.

I say keep it simple, do one thing at a time, slowly build the monster but focus more on the driving/experience/fun in the meantime

I thought about leaving it simpe to start, but I don't want to learn how to drive the car at a lower power level, and then need to learn how to drive it at a higher power level later. I am still somewhat considering throwing a 16g on, but figured I would give the other one a try since I have it. Besides speed=fun

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by ecoli

If you want to do something bigger than a Evo 3 16G/FP68, then I would run an FP manifold and some FP bolt-on turbo. Their stuff always spools great compared to T3 frame stuff. Their 61mm turbos like the FP3065 spool as good as most T3 50-trim setups.

Thanks for the info. I will keep the FP ones in mind. There are so many turbos out there that it is hard to compare them.