Simply brilliant - mosque @ Ground Zero

tpunx99GSX · 08-24-2010

This whole debate about a "mosque" being put "On" Ground zero is all for political purposes. That is all people. This should NEVER have come to the federal level. It passed the city planning commission, and whatever other boards it had to go through to get approved. Its not ON ground zero, its not a Mosque. So why is this still an issue.
You have all been duped into thinking that somehow the federal government can or will do anything about this. In a country where 1 and 5 idiots think the president is a Muslim (and act like only Christians or Presbyterians can be president), this is simply a ploy to get people angry at the head of the democratic party (president) and raise this issue to the point where people are threatening violence against people who have done nothing wrong.
Take for instance, Timothy McVeigh, Should all Christians (or whatever his religion) be damned and hated because of him bombing and killing all of those people in Oklahoma city? He would be considered an extremist.
What about the KKK? They are an extremist faction of the Christians. So should we hate all people that are christians?
Matt D had it right in posting that video, and although we dont see eye to eye on a lot of issues im glad he does see through this bullshit.
With the amount of Muslims in the world today, there are bound to be extremist factions in there, but there is no reason to let these things elevate to the level where as goodhart put it "Good, now let's go crash a fuckin plane into it." for something that all the people in that "Mosque" had no part in.
But i guess its as we grew up, Guilt by association.
Salem Witch Trials
Crusades
The founding of America
The Thirty Years War
and i can go on and on and on.
There is more blood on the hands of Christians, Catholics, and Protestants than any other religion around the world.
So who should we be more afraid of? My Atheist self is saying fuck all your religion, Ill stick to that which we as humans can PROVE, and definitely not going for the whole 2000+ year game of Telephone.

**Goat Blower** · 08-24-2010

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What about the KKK? They are an extremist faction of the Christians. So should we hate all people that are christians?

You really think the KKK is faction of Christians? You sir, are a dumbass.

tpunx99GSX · 08-24-2010

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You really think the KKK is faction of Christians? You sir, are a dumbass.

Look it up buddy. I can tell you they werent jews, they werent Muslims, and they definitly werent black.

**Goat Blower** · 08-24-2010

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So who should we be more afraid of? My Atheist self is saying fuck all your religion, Ill stick to that which we as humans can PROVE, and definitely not going for the whole 2000+ year game of Telephone.

You can prove you are God? I'm impressed. BTW, a lot of atheists seem to change their mind near death. Maybe all that narcissism is just for show.

tpunx99GSX · 08-24-2010

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You can prove you are God? I'm impressed. BTW, a lot of atheists seem to change their mind near death. Maybe all that narcissism is just for show.

Oh yeah, you talk to a lot of athiests right before they die? Was there a group of athiests polled right before they died "Hello sir, do you believe in god now? Thank you for playing a part in this poll, enjoy the afterlife"
And what part of my comment did i say that i can prove that I am god??? WTF?
Just for show? no, sorry i have trouble believing in fairy tales that were written when people still thought the world was flat.

Matt D. · 08-25-2010

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So who should we be more afraid of? My Atheist self is saying fuck all your religion, Ill stick to that which we as humans can PROVE, and definitely not going for the whole 2000+ year game of Telephone.

I refuse to sit here and let you talk down on religion. When you can prove that there is or isn't a God, please let me know. You just struck a nerve with me and you need to watch what you say from now on.

tpunx99GSX · 08-25-2010

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I refuse to sit here and let you talk down on religion. When you can prove that there is or isn't a God, please let me know. You just struck a nerve with me and you need to watch what you say from now on.

LOL, Just coming back at what Hill was stating about Athiesm. Sorry it struck a nerve with you, but it struck a nerve with me for what he said. So explaining my views i will not apologise for.
And by saying "Fuck all your religions" is to be taken more like "With all the BS that comes from organised religion, it is my personal belief that there are a lot of people out there that take religion word for word as the truth, i chose a different path of logical reasoning and not following blind faith without proof"

**scheides** · 08-25-2010

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I refuse to sit here and let you talk down on religion. When you can prove that there is or isn't a God, please let me know. You just struck a nerve with me and you need to watch what you say from now on.

LOL

polishmafia · 08-25-2010

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I refuse to sit here and let you talk down on religion. When you can prove that there is or isn't a God, please let me know. You just struck a nerve with me and you need to watch what you say from now on.

In no way do I support anything Tom has added to this thread, nor do I agree or disagree with you...

But what you said is a key component to this whole situation. Its freedom of religion, or lack there of. Its the right in this country to believe in what you believe.

Replace the word God with Allah, or with "a higher power", or Budda, or "aliens from a distant galaxy", and I could see an argument between any two people of different faiths arguing in front of a proposed "place of faith and worship".

Its America.