What does it take to run a 10? 500whp@DB, practice, or both? Neither? - Page 2

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 08-10-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Shane said the FP black car they built, the road race one, should go deep into the 10's or 9's even on the 530whp tune. So I think a 10.99 is possible for my setup if i learn to drive. Jim went 11.1 with like 430whp with the worse geared 6 spd, hes good at driving, so I just need a lot of practice!

That car has a decent amount of weight out of it though and no lag. Weight is very important for drag racing, when you get into the 10s and 9s it becomes more important than making more power. The car made 490ft-lbs too, so it doesn't take an expert to drive it fast. The X's a whole new ball game, it seems like to run high 10s or 11s, the Evo 8/9 are one of the easiest cars ever. A bit more power than that and they become a handful to try to get down the track like even medium power DSMs. An Evo X MR with a tranny that could hold power would be awesome for drag racing.

**Murlo26** · 08-10-2010

**scheides** · 08-10-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

I think I'd need a 'drag racing for dummies' book. I don't really even understand how staging or some fairly basic stuff works.

I didn't either, but some time watching videos on youtube, talking with people about the exact process of staging and such and it was pretty clear, maybe a little overwhelming. When I got to BIR to do it for the first time it was pretty dead obvious except for the very last bit (but I had been told what to do), I mean there's guys standing there waving you forward and telling you what to do every step of the way!

**Kracka** · 08-10-2010

Have you had any SST's give out/overheat/slip on your dyno yet?

turbotalon1g · 08-10-2010

6262 is awesome. Murlo, I'm sure when you go you will be with a few of us so don't worry.

Post up when u guys plan on going I wouldnt mind going along being carless is lame.

**Halon** · 08-10-2010

I will shoot for 10's in my Envoy. I'll make sure it's in 4x4 for unbeatable 60' times.

**Murlo26** · 08-10-2010

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**Halon** · 08-10-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Is it really that hard to believe an Evo with 500 whp on DB's dyno will hit 10's with a lot of practice?

Just wanted to join in on the bench racing, am I not allowed?

And as far as a 500hp evo being able to hit 10's, of course it should be able to. Might not happen on the first couple attempts as it may take awhile to learn to drive it into the 10's, but for sure it should be able to. Took me 3 trips to the track, and a bunch of low 11's before I finally got my 10. And mine was at Brainerd which I feel had a little better prep than RF did. I got a 10.9 but my car should be hitting mid 10's since I'm trapping around 135.

**Murlo26** · 08-10-2010

**scheides** · 08-11-2010

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Originally Posted by Halon

Just wanted to join in on the bench racing, am I not allowed?

And as far as a 500hp evo being able to hit 10's, of course it should be able to. Might not happen on the first couple attempts as it may take awhile to learn to drive it into the 10's, but for sure it should be able to. Took me 3 trips to the track, and a bunch of low 11's before I finally got my 10. And mine was at Brainerd which I feel had a little better prep than RF did. I got a 10.9 but my car should be hitting mid 10's since I'm trapping around 135.

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Yea you can join, lol. Just a few people kept saying they were going to run 10's like I was crazy or something. Like I said, probably no chance my first time, i hope to be in the 11's after getting used to everything then the 10's are my next goal.

Do you still have your car Halon? You should come up there with us.

What you're not seeing is that he went to the track 3x before he got ONE 10.x run and then when we were at BIR for the map event he was running all over the place due to shifting and other issues. Walk the walk, then talk the talk, I say

I've barely began crawling....

311evo · 08-10-2010

Halon has a DSM that made 500 @ DB and ran 10's. I think he believes. haha

**scheides** · 08-11-2010

No need to get butthurt, just need to start a thread that's more on topic, that's all

So, I'll continue this benchracing discussion. If I ran 13.1-13.3@106mph on the old stock turbo setup, and I'm running the BBX with a nice 6-puck now, what do you think I should run now?

I'm hoping to get a downpipe on the car by the time I get to the drag track next, so maybe I'll have a little more power to get me to my next goal. I just need to decide realistically what it is? 12.8@111?

**goodhart** · 08-11-2010

13.0 @ 107

**Murlo26** · 08-11-2010

I'd think the BBX on pump with practice is good for at least mid 12's, but who knows...i am no expert.

turbotalon1g · 08-11-2010

While I agree with scheides on stop being PRO bench racers and just worry about learning shit, I must say 500whp at DB is some serious fucking power. I hope it shows my language.

My car prob. made 370@DB at most on teh 16G (Only setup I got solid numbers on)

It took me a 2 times at the track with no issues to get my times from 12.0 to 11.7. There is a lot to learn about the car when you are drag racing.

Also I agree with scheides about talking about 10s like its nothing, Halon spent years building that clean DSM and diff. setups to get where he did. While you guys will for sure have the power to do it, whether you can or not in your first 2-3 outings is another thing.

**Murlo26** · 08-11-2010

All I was getting at was the car has to be capable of a 10 first, then step two is lots of practice and driver mod. Yes a 10 isn't easy, but with the power I hope to make it is doable, that is my point.

Like I said, 10 is my goal, my car is now basically a drag setup anyway, and I will learn...and if i still need more power, 35r kit will go on over winter

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

While I agree with scheides on stop being PRO bench racers and just worry about learning shit, I must say 500whp at DB is some serious fucking power. I hope it shows my language.

My car prob. made 370@DB at most on teh 16G (Only setup I got solid numbers on)

It took me a 2 times at the track with no issues to get my times from 12.0 to 11.7. There is a lot to learn about the car when you are drag racing.

Also I agree with scheides about talking about 10s like its nothing, Halon spent years building that clean DSM and diff. setups to get where he did. While you guys will for sure have the power to do it, whether you can or not in your first 2-3 outings is another thing.

Ps. I have seen people with dom 2's (much smaller turbo than a black) running low 11's at the track that was there first time out...so I guess I don't see the X's weight as a huge deal, nor the gearing.

1QUICK4 · 08-11-2010

Just spray it, it works for Brad

**Murlo26** · 08-11-2010

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Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

Just spray it, it works for Brad

I have already talked with Shane about this and have a setup in mind if I need it

Shane already broke it down for me...

C3L1CA · 08-11-2010

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Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

Just spray it, it works for Brad

This....

**scheides** · 08-11-2010

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

While I agree with scheides on stop being PRO bench racers and just worry about learning shit, I must say 500whp at DB is some serious fucking power. I hope it shows my language.

My car prob. made 370@DB at most on teh 16G (Only setup I got solid numbers on)

It took me a 2 times at the track with no issues to get my times from 12.0 to 11.7. There is a lot to learn about the car when you are drag racing.

Also I agree with scheides about talking about 10s like its nothing, Halon spent years building that clean DSM and diff. setups to get where he did. While you guys will for sure have the power to do it, whether you can or not in your first 2-3 outings is another thing.

Only problem with this logic of just running out and running times is the turbo setup. Shane made tons of comments on this when we were at BIR. A 16g car is easy to be consistent on. Stock frame turbo is probably similar, depending on size; the bigger it is, the harder it will be to be consistent. An fp black might be tough, I know trevor struggled a bit with his.