Evo X upgrades - Page 48

**scheides** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

^Good idea..I'd say give LJ a shot...otherwise throw your old 255 setup back in and have DB throw a boost a pump on it. I am actually considering switching to a single 255 with a boost a pump to simplify things. After seeing how many issues you have had, i want simple.

He doesn't have it anymore, that's the problem. I think we would have done that a few weekends back when I was helping as a test if he had one. Are there any other X's around with a single walbro setup that could be begged/bribed into letting their setup be borrowed? I've only got the stock pump in there so it's not much help afaik, lmk if it could be lomker.

Matt D. · 06-17-2010

Time to stop buying baller parts and start buying the right parts. I know these Blaqops and Full Blown pieces are pretty, but how practical are they? Something obviously isn't working right and using these things turned a rather simple system into being rather complex. Keep it simple and stop creating headaches for yourself.

**scheides** · 06-17-2010

These are the right parts, they're proven setups that have made great power and proven reliable. Nothing baller about them, they're made to do the job he bought them for. Just having problems with something, or multiple things, gotta get to the bottom of it!

Matt D. · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

These are the right parts, they're proven setups that have made great power and proven reliable. Nothing baller about them, they're made to do the job he bought them for. Just having problems with something, or multiple things, gotta get to the bottom of it!

If that's the case then I would be shocked to learn that he's the only person that's having this sort of fuel pickup problem. The whole thing with two fuel pumps and a progressive controller just seems to be far more complex than it has to be.

**mlomker** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I know its not using a baller piece but it gets the job done, and just throwing this out there, but I'm going to assume you can't do a 1g style twin pump setup?

baller was never the point. I'd originally gone with the Full Blown hanger because I didn't want the downtime of sending the stock hanger in to be modified and sent back to me. That whole attitude seems super-amusing right now but early on in the process that seemed rational.

Not sure what 1G style is. Right now we have the second pump set to come on at approx. 15psi and that seems to work fine now in a straight line. The issue is no longer the pumps but appears to be the 'cup' that the pumps sit in or the suction/return line that fills it...that cup acts as a mini surge tank to keep the pumps sitting in fuel even when gas sloshes around in the tank during turns.

It seems to me the smart thing is to at least wait until I can talk to LJ about this and give him a shot before trying the 3rd path (an inline or inline/surge tank setup).

BlaqOPs has my stock hanger. I think Chris would send it back but I need to decide if I want it back stock or with his double pump fittings on it, first.

**mlomker** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by Matt D.

If that's the case then I would be shocked to learn that he's the only person that's having this sort of fuel pickup problem.

The progressive stuff is already gone. I'm running two standard Walbros right now. It's the same setup that Trevor has but it's in a Full Blown hanger instead of a stock one. The suction line and tanks on the X are totally different, unfortunately.

As far as if I'm the only one with problems...we don't really know why Dave's motor let go. I also don't know how many of these hangers Full Blown has installed out there. I know I bought one of the first ones and it may be the only one. Full Blown is building an Evo X shop car but it doesn't run yet so I'd imagine they haven't tested their hanger in it.

You seem to be under the impression that there is a tried & true way to run this kind of power on a X on E85 but there isn't. There are only a handful of companies doing any form of double pump for the X (BlaqOPs, Full Blown, AMS, Buschur). AMS does an inline, Buschur a double that is pretty much the same as what I've got now in the stock hanger.

turbotalon1g · 06-17-2010

I wasn't ribbing, sorry if it came off like that but I never see the point in these sweet expensive hangers unless its the only solution, but usually people want to be ignorant and argue that it is even when its not.

Since I have never seen an evo fuel pump assem. I wouldn't know. A 1g you can clamp 2 pumps together around the sending unit, but well you have shane there and Im sure he would of said something to u.

I completely agree with u talking to LJ first i hate when people go online and slag off companies/people they buy shit from without talking to them (not that u have) but maybe he has something for you.

I say talk to shane about an inline pump, but it sounds like these sweet hangers are the norm and should work.
good luck, i might be running to DB a little later if u want me to run something there, i think swift is coming up so maybe he can pick whatever up from u

**Murlo26** · 06-17-2010

Before ordering more parts, toss my double pump in and try it man, lol. You have spent so much already, i just hate to see you keep buying more and more parts and still have problems. It hurts me to see this even though i am not spending the money, lol. I never had issues with my setup really, a little bogging here and there, but usually on 1/4 or less, which is a stock evo type thing.

**mlomker** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

After seeing how many issues you have had, i want simple.

I hope so. This fuel system is going to set me back thousands by the time it plays out.

Knowing our luck they'll start selling those damn hybrid Evos right about the time we figure everything out on the X.

**Murlo26** · 06-17-2010

You need a new intake lomker, i just spoke with Shane (email), AMS said Gates maxed out right right where shane asked about...they run a 3.5" intake on Gate's car.

So if you ordered a 3" ETS one, stop the order!

**mlomker** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

Before ordering more parts, toss my double pump in and try it man, lol.

I've already ripped out the progressive controller and we have different plumbing and wiring. It's not impossible but it'd be 3-4 hours of work to test something and then I'd have to pull it back out.

If LJ can't help me figure out what's up with the Full Blown hanger then I already know that a single pump in my stock hanger works...I ran that for over six months. It'd just be a matter of getting it back.

I hate it as much as you do but I have to do this one step at a time.

**mlomker** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by Murlo26

So if you ordered a 3" ETS one, stop the order!

Interesting. I'll get ETS on the phone after the next meeting.

**mlomker** · 06-17-2010

Cancelled the ETS order since they weren't sure where theirs would max. Most of the big power cars have been on 4" intakes using their 35r kits. The 4" intakes neck down to a 3" MAF housing and the same 5" filter so it seems a little odd that it results in more flow. <shrug>

I've got an email into CBRD and IveyTune (ETS' suggestion) to get an opinion. I'm thinking I might need a 3" inlet upgrade on the turbo and a custom 3.5" intake. ETS figured they could do one but they'd have to source a flange and it'd take a few weeks if they needed to machine one.

My build is breaking more ground than I wanted or expected. lol.

**Murlo26** · 06-17-2010

Yea, I emailed ETS and DB. I am either going to have to have DB fab one for me, or see if ETS can. Thankfully the FP turbo's have a 3" inlet.

That's what happens when you are the first to try things buddy, don't fret, it will work out.

**scheides** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

Cancelled the ETS order since they weren't sure where theirs would max. Most of the big power cars have been on 4" intakes using their 35r kits. The 4" intakes neck down to a 3" MAF housing and the same 5" filter so it seems a little odd that it results in more flow. <shrug>

I've got an email into CBRD and IveyTune (ETS' suggestion) to get an opinion. I'm thinking I might need a 3" inlet upgrade on the turbo and a custom 3.5" intake. ETS figured they could do one but they'd have to source a flange and it'd take a few weeks if they needed to machine one.

My build is breaking more ground than I wanted or expected. lol.

Might wanna check with Bryan@GST and see what he's using on some of his BBX or FP Red E85 cars, he must be near that threshold as well (might just be included in his posts about them). I would just have DB mod or make you a 3.5" intake and be done with it.

**scheides** · 06-17-2010

Posted this on evoM but thought it was worth posting here too:

I'm kinda thinking something like this:

http://store.max-redline.com/servlet/-strse-49/Detail

plus this:

http://www.jmfabrications.com/site/i...mart&Itemid=58

plus a short 1.5" pipe for recirculating your BOV. Do it to it

**mlomker** · 06-17-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

I would just have DB mod or make you a 3.5" intake and be done with it.

I figured I'd gather data for a day on the national forums but I'll ask DB what they can do, first.

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Originally Posted by scheides

plus a short 1.5" pipe for recirculating your BOV. Do it to it

That and some welding. If it'd result in more flow then you could cut down the 3" AMS pipe or use the stock plastic MAF housing with a larger pipe behind it. I'd want to leave this to Shane, Primo, or whoever can do it...the last thing I want is to homebrew something that Shane can't get to scale. I've heard that 4" pipes will not work with the MAF but I'm not sure about 3.5".

The thing is, the turbo only has a 2.75" inlet. I never took fluid dynamics or whatever so I don't understand how a bigger pipe in front of a small inlet works out. Is it because the turbo is sucking?

**Murlo26** · 06-17-2010

http://www.maperformance.com/jm-fabr...nge-evo-x.html

You can get this in 3.5" size or 4" size

I think it is just a matter of not letting the MAF read 5.0V and then Shane can tune around it however. Even if it necks down it shouldn't matter too much, the problem here is the fact the MAF is maxed. With a bigger pipe, I believe that the MAF sees less air since there is more room around it to flow and therefore it reads a different voltage.

You could probably even cut the AMS part way and transition to a 3.5" intake where you put the MAF and filter.

I am probably going to sell my AMS one and I could probably pay for most of the fab work for DB.

**scheides** · 06-17-2010

^That's what I just linked to a few posts up

So um, has anyone tried wiring in a GM MAF (3" or 3.5") in place of the stock EvoX MAF yet? wonder if they are compatible. Could also plumb it into a blow-through setup too if you were feeling crazy (not the best idea though imho).

**Murlo26** · 06-17-2010

Yea I know, but i guess i didn't see the option for different sizes on your link, i probably missed it like a tard.