beaterX, 2.5 turns of the wga

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Nothing beats a MBC for ease of use and reliability.

I've never heard of an EBCS user having overboost issues during temperature changes...that's an MBC problem. If the ECU is great at managing that sort of thing then I don't see the point in remaining old-school.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by mlomker

I've never heard of an EBCS user having overboost issues during temperature changes.

I'm telling you now, it is an issue, I promise Maybe not for you, but it happens. Weather can affect MBC's as well, just not as much. A lot of guys mount their MBC's (and BCS solenoids) near their radiators to try and cut down on the variances weather can cause.

Either way, this mod isn't about MBC or BCS, its about the turbo flowing more by keeping the wastegate closed tighter; it's not holding a ton more boost anywhere, but making more power.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by mlomker

I've never heard of an EBCS user having overboost issues during temperature changes...that's an MBC problem. If the ECU is great at managing that sort of thing then I don't see the point in remaining old-school.

Have you actually tried all the different forms of boost control or just read about the online? I have. I haven't remained old school, I've gone back to old school after giving the newer/fancier/more expensive methods a chance. With my MBC mounted to the radiator fan shroud I see 1-2psi variance max due to weather changes; I saw far more than using using ECU-controlled boost. My car is also more responsive and boost hits harder/faster with a MBC. Put one on your car as a test sometime and compare the boost curve, I think you'll be quite surprised.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Put one on your car as a test sometime and compare the boost curve, I think you'll be quite surprised.

I look forward to doing such experimentation once the bigger mods wind down.

I'll also say that I only read the X forums and have never pretended to know shit about 8/9's. You'll be basted if you try to argue in favor of an MBC on a X forum. The X has a different ECU and I'm sure scheides will uncover a lot of interesting things as he continues exploring...

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by mlomker

You'll be basted if you try to argue in favor of an MBC on a X forum.

Scary, a bunch of newbs regurgitating info on the internet My guess is most of those guys only read something somewhere and have no actual real-world experience (must like yourself yet you still make claims regarding which is better).

With more experience you'll learn there is quite a difference between what you read online and reality.

[turbotalon1g]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Scary, a bunch of newbs regurgitating info on the internet My guess is most of those guys only read something somewhere and have no actual real-world experience (must like yourself yet you still make claims regarding which is better).

With more experience you'll learn there is quite a difference between what you read online and reality.

Wow, I can't imagine with all that shit around why forums and the car scene in general are becoming more horseshit.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by Kracka

With more experience you'll learn there is quite a difference between what you read online and reality.

Ah, yes...newbs like Bryan @GST, Chad @CBRD, and other people that know a lot less than the hobbyists on this *forum*. scheides cross-posts much of his stuff on national forums as well.

Originally Posted by Matt D.

I discussed this with Kracka not too long ago, but Sport Compact Car did a test between the popular MBCs and EBCs at the time (2004 or 2005?)

If you're talking about standalone EBC then we're talking about different things. An EBCS is a replacement boost control solenoid, controlled by the ECU (aka 3-port). I certainly wouldn't install a standalone on an Evo.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by mlomker

Ah, yes...newbs like Bryan @GST, Chad @CBRD, and other people that know a lot less than the hobbyists on this *forum*. scheides cross-posts much of his stuff on national forums as well.



If you're talking about standalone EBC then we're talking about different things. An EBCS is a replacement boost control solenoid, controlled by the ECU (aka 3-port). I certainly wouldn't install a standalone on an Evo.

What he is saying is that all you are doing is regurgitating information that "newbs like Bryan @GST, Chad @CBRD" post online. You have NO real first hand experience yourself.




Anyways, Looking good Scheides! I want a ride in this thing at dyno day, I never did get a ride on your VIII.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by mlomker

Ah, yes...newbs like Bryan @GST, Chad @CBRD, and other people that know a lot less than the hobbyists on this *forum*. scheides cross-posts much of his stuff on national forums as well.

I am fully aware of what Bryan and Chad have done and do, my guess is I knew who they were long before you decided to even "get into" cars. Goodhart is right, my point is that you have zero first-hand experience and can do nothing more than attempt to understand information you've read online and regurgitate it. I also know that Scheides cross-posts a lot of his stuff on the national forums and if you'll notice I have as well. What's your point? You should also take a look at how similar ECU-controlled boost and any off the shelf pre-packed electronic boost controller is. Here is another question for you: Have you ever actually used a MBC? EBC? ECU-controlled boost? I'm talking actually used, not just drive a car with one. Have you ever installed them? Do you even know how they work?

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by Kracka

I am fully aware of what Bryan and Chad have done and do, my guess is I knew who they were long before you decided to even "get into" cars. Goodhart is right, my point is that you have zero first-hand experience and can do nothing more than attempt to understand information you've read online and regurgitate it. I also know that Scheides cross-posts a lot of his stuff on the national forums and if you'll notice I have as well. What's your point? You should also take a look at how similar ECU-controlled boost and any off the shelf pre-packed electronic boost controller is. Here is another question for you: Have you ever actually used a MBC? EBC? ECU-controlled boost? I'm talking actually used, not just drive a car with one. Have you ever installed them? Do you even know how they work?

From a guy that doesn't change his own oil? MLomker, I'm sorry bro but I would be surprised you've even gapped a sparkplug and installed them before, let alone install or even so much as turned the knob on a MBC. I'm just sayin it how it is man. I don't type anything that I wouldn't tell a person straight to their face.

Also, stop copy-pasting what others post on EvoM and the X forums as if you really know and/or have experience with any of what you are talking about. It is very misleading to others. They may actually think you know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Originally Posted by Kevin 1G Drummer

What is so magical about a X that it needs an EBC?

but OMG it is the unicorn of all cars!! You couldn't possibly use technology from lowly little cars built in the 1990's on this car sent from god, that no average man dare work on himself.





/of my opinion

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by mlomker

If you're talking about standalone EBC then we're talking about different things. An EBCS is a replacement boost control solenoid, controlled by the ECU (aka 3-port). I certainly wouldn't install a standalone on an Evo.

Why not? It controls boost just the same, an electronically controlled solenoid. If one performed better than the other then I see no reason to use it.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by mlomker

I'll also say that I only read the X forums...

Oh yea, I own one of those now, maybe I should check that site out. :P