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[FattyBoomBatty]

Originally Posted by TheBlizzard

This whole "job" thing is a double edged sword, you have the people that actually want to work but don't have the knowledge/education or the communicational skills to obtain even the simplest of jobs; then you have the other people whom have the knowledge/education and the communicational skills to get jobs and they are just too fucking proud or lazy to start out beneath where they think they should be.

You sound like the type of boss I never want to have.

I "actually want to work" and I have a college degree in an area that I feel could help many types of businesses. Manual labor is not the cat's meow, but I'm doing it to make some money. I'm not "too fucking proud or lazy to start out beneath where [I] think [I] should be." Maybe you are talking about a different sort of individual, but someone who's graduated with a 4 year degree or higher has already proven they have what it takes to get a big task done. They have a right to feel like they should be placed above the janitors when they look for a job.

[cmspaz]

I'm just going to leave this here:

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by cmspaz

I'm gay and I even find that ghey. I totally need to friend him, though, because my friends are not that funny.

[cmspaz]

Allegedly his account got hacked or something. Whatever, I got some comic relief out of it.

[Constant_Project21]

Originally Posted by cmspaz

I'm just going to leave this here:

This brightened my day...hahahahahaha, true or not, it is still hilarious.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

You sound like the type of boss I never want to have.

I think you have to be willing to take a step back when you change jobs. A lot of people will never step back despite the fact that some of their salary may have been due to seniority and not skill. As someone with (almost) a masters degree in management, I can see things from both sides.

When I went to my new employer I was straight-up and said I'd take up to a 10% cut but would expect a good 1 yr review. They ended up offering me only 5% less (presumably because they liked my attitude) and after 18 months I'm now back to where I was. 5 or 10% pay cuts are obviously easier to deal with at 80k than 35k but the same principle applies.

[TheBlizzard]

Originally Posted by mlomker

I think you have to be willing to take a step back when you change jobs. A lot of people will never step back despite the fact that some of their salary may have been due to seniority and not skill. As someone with (almost) a masters degree in management, I can see things from both sides.

Exactly my point, maybe I didn't make it clear enough for some people. People with degrees often think they are entitiled to the best jobs and sometimes will not step below the threshold of what they have pictured in their minds.

Roll back a number of years we didn't have this problem because most kids would come right out of school and land a good job in their field no problem, its a different time now, you have to have more than a piece of paper showing you learned something.

Andrew, if that sort of reality would make you not want to work for someone like me you have a long road ahead of you, the job market isn't getting any easier and it's that type of attitude that would make or break you in this economy while looking for work.