Swifty

[FattyBoomBatty]

Some might argue that "money isn't everything." And you are in IT, one of the (many) areas I have not had any real experience in. If you are making 80k/year, then I would consider you to be pretty high up on the IT ladder, looking at that ladder from the ground. I am not saying I wouldn't put in the hours, I'm saying people don't even take that in to consideration when looking at resumes. They look at what you wrote down, not what kind of person or worker you are. I think of myself as a hard worker (much harder than many of my friends) and I put my full effort and ability forward when I do any job, but how do employers find that out? Definitely not by looking at a piece of paper. Yet that's how they judge a potential hire. Vicious cycle, I say!

[TheBlizzard]

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

Some might argue that "money isn't everything." And you are in IT, one of the (many) areas I have not had any real experience in. If you are making 80k/year, then I would consider you to be pretty high up on the IT ladder, looking at that ladder from the ground. I am not saying I wouldn't put in the hours, I'm saying people don't even take that in to consideration when looking at resumes. They look at what you wrote down, not what kind of person or worker you are. I think of myself as a hard worker (much harder than many of my friends) and I put my full effort and ability forward when I do any job, but how do employers find that out? Definitely not by looking at a piece of paper. Yet that's how they judge a potential hire. Vicious cycle, I say!

Yeah that is the employers fault then, they should be looking a lot further than a piece of paper. I know first hand what this can do; I have hired people before that have the sickest resumes and background, most of them turn out to the self centered lazy piles of shit, when I went to some seminars and realized that there is a lot more to a person than what they can throw down on paper I started hiring people that not only can do the job, but are dependable, they have a high rate of productivity, and have a positive attitude. Those are the guys/girls I want working for me.

So if you are being overlooked and you have those qualities than in my opinion you don't want to work for them anyway, because in the end you are going to be disappointed. So I say fucke em, keep your head up and keep trying, resumes are only as good as the heart and attitude of the people writing them.

[mlomker]

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

If you are making 80k/year, then I would consider you to be pretty high up on the IT ladder

Keep in mind that I'm 37 and started in IT as a CNE in `95. My title these days is 'network architect' at a Fortune-500 company. You don't start out there...you spend a decade busting your butt.

My undergrad is in business but I have a list of industry certifications longer than your arm. I'm not going to pretend that I know what employers look for at the entry level anymore, but my masters thesis is on the confluence of formal education, industry certification and experience when making hiring decisions (no kidding). These are your pillars...if you are weak on your degree then you should consider overcompensating on the other two.