removal of monuments from government property

SlowWhite · 07-01-2015

So with the removal of the ten commandments monument from a government property.

And the removal of the confederate flag about to happen because it reminds people of a time of hate and slavery.

The topic of the monument to honor slaves that is on the backside of the state house where the confederate flag is to be removed, has now come up that, that monument should be removed as well.

Thoughts?

**Kracka** · 07-01-2015

Might as well tear down museums and burn the history books while we're at it.

SlowWhite · 07-01-2015

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Might as well tear down museums and burn the history books while we're at it.

Thats is pretty much how I feel about it.

I live in the oldest inland city in south carolina. There was Charlestown then camden.

And with in two miles of my house there are probably 30 monuments to history, all at governments run parks.
most of which is from the civil war since several battles took place here as well as revolutionary monuments.

Cornwallis' s house that he used as his head quarters is even in this town and they do reenactments every year there. A house the Lincoln's sister owned is in this town.

I can see this getting ugly real quick, where is the line going to be drawn. No matter what we do you can't please everyone.

**Kracka** · 07-01-2015

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I can see this getting ugly real quick, where is the line going to be drawn. No matter what we do you can't please everyone.

As long as we (meaning the government, politicians, media, and general public) keep giving in to those who are continually offended, they'll just keep coming up with more and more absurd things to get offended about. It'll never be enough, they'll always want more. As the old saying goes, "Give an inch and they'll take a mile."

A//// Guy · 07-01-2015

Im really surprised dollar bills still say In God we Trust. No other comments.

SlowWhite · 07-01-2015

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Im really surprised dollar bills still say In God we Trust. No other comments.

They just finished making our money look the same as most third world countries.

It'll happen, but might take a bit since they just redid all the bills not to long ago.

A//// Guy · 07-02-2015

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They just finished making our money look the same as most third world countries.

It'll happen, but might take a bit since they just redid all the bills not to long ago.

How do our bills look like 3rd world countries lol...

SlowWhite · 07-02-2015

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How do our bills look like 3rd world countries lol...

I guess I was the only lucky one to travel as a child all over the world.

And yes our bills look just like what poverished countries I have traveled to. Money looked like back then

**1ViciousGSX** · 07-01-2015

We are witnessing the "white washing" and "sanitization" of America. This is only the start.

jeremy1375 · 07-01-2015

So the consensus for those participating in this thread so far is a dislike of what is happening with the removal of monuments from government buildings.

If you'd rather have these items stay, would you be okay with things being added? What if some Buddhist group did something noteworthy for a state. Would it be okay then to put a Buddha statue in a government building?

**1ViciousGSX** · 07-01-2015

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If you'd rather have these items stay, would you be okay with things being added? What if some Buddhist group did something noteworthy for a state. Would it be okay then to put a Buddha statue in a government building?

No words describe how rediculous ^^^ this ^^^ is.

jeremy1375 · 07-01-2015

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No words describe how rediculous ^^^ this ^^^ is.

What is it about it that's ridiculous?

SlowWhite · 07-01-2015

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So the consensus in this thread so far is a dislike of what is happening with the removal of monuments from government bslaverys.

If you'd rather have these items stay, would you be okay with things being added? What if some Buddhist group did something noteworthy for a state. Would it be okay then to put a Buddha statue in a government building?

I have thought about this actually. And since the removal of the flag which is on the premise of it being a reminder of time of hate and is offensive.

I can see why the statue is being discussed to be removed as its a reminder of the same thing.

However I also thought maybe to ease those that dont want the flag removed to have a confederate military statue placed next to to the one about slavery.

Or just move the one about slavery to another park as that's more appropriate.

Leave the government buildings plain so they can just focus on government. And make parks the place to do the remembering

**Trogdor** · 07-01-2015

As I recall, the founding fathers of this country left England because of the tyrannical rule of the King. A king which was being heavily influenced by the church.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." means a) the government can't prohibited the the practice of religion. And b) it may not promote any one specific religion. This country was build on a foundation of religious freedom, we are not to be governed by one.

Having a giant 10 commandments monument at the capitol sure feels an awful lot like the government endorsing one specific religion.

SlowWhite · 07-01-2015

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As I recall, the founding fathers of this country left England because of the tyrannical rule of the King. A king which was being heavily influenced by the church.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." means a) the government can't prohibited the the practice of religion. And b) it may not promote any one specific religion. This country was build on a foundation of religious freedom, we are not to be governed by one.

Having a giant 10 commandments monument at the capitol sure feels an awful lot like the government endorsing one specific religion.

I can agree with that.

tpunx99GSX · 07-02-2015

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I can agree with that.

Well buddhism is one thing. But would you agree with putting a statue of Satan, for the satanic churches? Or how about a monument to Xenu, the overlord in scientologies book?

SlowWhite · 07-02-2015

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Well buddhism is one thing. But would you agree with putting a statue of Satan, for the satanic churches? Or how about a monument to Xenu, the overlord in scientologies

Satan crap - resounding hell no I would be "offended". But that's because I dont agree with whay he stands for. And that also goes for religions that preach hate. And promote killings.

Scientology - i dont know anything about it other then the big bang theory is what i always thought that is what they believe. And the answer to that would be yes, but since we are taking all religion out of our gov.

Then put this stuff in museums or a dedicated building.

tpunx99GSX · 07-02-2015

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Satan crap - resounding hell no I would be "offended". But that's because I dont agree with whay he stands for. And that also goes for religions that preach hate. And promote killings.

Scientology - i dont know anything about it other then the big bang theory is what i always thought that is what they believe. And the answer to that would be yes, but since we are taking all religion out of our gov.

Then put this stuff in museums or a dedicated building.

Lol Scientology has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Big Bang. It has NOTHING to do with science. It was made up like every other religion by a person. In scientologies case a man by the name of L Ron Hubbard

Speedfreak · 07-02-2015

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And that also goes for religions that preach hate. And promote killings.

Because of how certain media and circles of ignorant people spread false information. I'm taking a guess and assuming you just shot across the bow of Islam/Muslims?

If so, you are misinformed. If you care to learn the truth, I'd be happy to chat.

Those who are out there doing hanous things in the name of Islam, are extremists who are off the reservation. 99% of Muslims disagree with these idiots actions. There are roughly 1.6 billion Muslims in this world. There are bound to be those who use religion for their own agenda.

Regarding those founding fathers who wrote our history, there were some Muslims or at least some influence of the religion in there to(wasn't very known) if memory serves me right. But Christian/Jewish/Muslim religions are mostly the same anyways(which most people don't seem to know or want to acknowledge) so moot point.

Quick search result:

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

And recent issues with the Church include bad things to little boys and there is still chaos in Ireland in the name of Christianity.

All religions have their nuts, its easy to point at someone else's and make generalized opinions. Don't forgot to look at your own first.

Regarding removal of items from these places. Who cares?

SlowWhite · 07-02-2015

Edit - it double posted