311evo's ev-oh - Page 5

t-revzr · 03-22-2011

Sorry I wasn't much help. I wish I could of helped you out more.
I say you go option 2 tho! 6262 all the way!

**Murlo26** · 03-22-2011

I vote stock turbo while black is rebuilt or skip to the HTA. The 6262 is nice but the HTA turbos are worth the extra cost in my mind.

If you are going to invest more money as in a few thousand give or take more, then you mind as well get the best option.

But that is my thought process.

311evo · 03-22-2011

Edited my last post with the option of the 6262 also being temporary if need be.

One thing I have to mention, between the 3 turbos, which spools the best?

turbotalon1g · 03-22-2011

I'm gonna be a PITA here, but can you break down the cost options here.

I'm not in the know as far as pricing goes for evo stuff other than its spendy.
For example:
Manifold: 600
turbo: 900
total: 1500

A more helpful part now, remember that your turbo if changing from stock frame might need different oil/water lines, flanges, downpipe, etc.

Try to add up the little things because well they do add up.

Good luck, my vote is if you want to make the power I think you are shooting for and just be street king 6262 is where it is at unless you want to do 6765 but I'm guessing thats too big.

**Kracka** · 03-22-2011

^Double those costs and you'll be closer in the Evo ballpark

311evo · 03-22-2011

but the HTA86 spools almost as fast as the 6262 IIRC, but makes a much more broad powerband.

I'll start deviding the pricing and such.

311evo · 03-22-2011

Updated the price estimates.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 03-22-2011

A 6262 setup on your car should be a far amount laggier, due to the loss of twin scroll, a bigger exhaust wheel and bigger exhaust housing. So if lag is a concern...

311evo · 03-22-2011

Lag is a concern, I still want the largest powerband available in the area. But I don't want to have to worry about rebuilding the turbo every 6 months. If it's 2-500 rpms laggier it's not a concern. I could always go ball bearing with the 6262, but at that point I would rather get the HTA86.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 03-22-2011

Ball bearing doesn't really help initial spool up much either. They respool faster, like between gears though, because they don't spin down nearly as fast as a journal bearing turbo.

**scheides** · 03-22-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

For example:
Manifold: 600
turbo: 900
total: 1500

LOL true DSM'er mentality there

How about we include ALL of the parts for a real cost tally:
Turbo: $1100-1500 (6262 to an hta, and you better get BB if you want real reliability)
Manifold: $600-1000
O2 housing/Downpipe: $400-700
Wastegate: $400 (? no idea)
Oil and coolant lines: $200-250 (?)
Modify intake: $50-200

The cheapest kit on the market IIRC is around $3000 for a non-hta 35R and cast manifold (buschur's and I hear MAP can get it too), up to $4500-ish for an AMS setup.

A 6262 vs hta3586 is kinda a toss-up to me, I have lusted over hta35R's forever but the 6262 is damn good bang for your buck. Personally I would get FP on the phone, setup something to do a super quick turnaround, and just get the black rebuilt. I'm sure it'll cost around $500 but if they can do it in just a few days + overnight shipping on either end you'll keep downtime to a minimum.

311evo · 03-22-2011

Real cost Tally, okay. Some of my stuff may be a little off but I've been in contact with only a couple venders so far.

Quoted $1,200 for custom manifold, Tial WG, and dump tube.
$800 for a journal bearing 6262, or $1,600 for the hta86.
$400 for the oil lines and custom o2 housing.

The thing with the black is that I don't know if I want to keep it when I get it back. And if that's the route I want to go then I don't really want to use it at all in order to keep the value up.

Or I could use it and see how long it holds up.

**goodhart** · 03-22-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides

LOL true DSM'er mentality there

I lol'd at $600 T3 manifold myself

was just an example, but still.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides

How about we include ALL of the parts for a real cost tally:
Turbo: $1100-1500 (6262 to an hta, and you better get BB if you want real reliability)
Manifold: $600-1000
O2 housing/Downpipe: $400-700
Wastegate: $400 (? no idea)
Oil and coolant lines: $200-250 (?)
Modify intake: $50-200

The cheapest kit on the market IIRC is around $3000 for a non-hta 35R and cast manifold (buschur's and I hear MAP can get it too), up to $4500-ish for an AMS setup.

A 6262 vs hta3586 is kinda a toss-up to me, I have lusted over hta35R's forever but the 6262 is damn good bang for your buck. Personally I would get FP on the phone, setup something to do a super quick turnaround, and just get the black rebuilt. I'm sure it'll cost around $500 but if they can do it in just a few days + overnight shipping on either end you'll keep downtime to a minimum.

I'll bet Primo can get you taken care of for the EWG/o2 housing setup for a good price.

311evo · 03-22-2011

I'll be talking to a majority of the local vendors.

**mlomker** · 03-22-2011

I've always thought of the HTA82 on a 2ltr or a HTA86 on a stroker the ideal setup. Not sure how much the GTX turbos add to the equation. scheides is right about the cost of the ETS-level kits...a bit crazy.

There's no doubt that it could be done for less locally but in my opinion this is an absolute shit time to start a car project. I know, my car was down this time last year. I caution against it...you could miss half the season due to various backlogs.

**scheides** · 03-22-2011

Here's the other thing, if you do that custom setup, how well can it perform and how long will it take to get made? Seems to me the downtime could be huge. I'm just a huge huge fan of stock-frame turbos I guess.

311evo · 03-22-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by scheides

Here's the other thing, if you do that custom setup, how well can it perform and how long will it take to get made? Seems to me the downtime could be huge. I'm just a huge huge fan of stock-frame turbos I guess.

True, those are things that I do not know. I'm sure it would perform well considering who would be making it. The downtime would suck, but so does the wait time from FP.

**goodhart** · 03-22-2011

BBK-B + 50 shot. just another idea

311evo · 03-22-2011

lol, If I change from the black it will only be something a little bigger.

But I've thought about adding a small shot. Would be fun.

**dzuest** · 03-22-2011

maybe i missed it but, what was the reason behind them not doing a warranty on the Black???