removal of monuments from government property

[A//// Guy]

The Christian values that harm no one are very strong in the Catholic church that I am actually a part of.. Lots of priests going to prison lately.

[1ViciousGSX]

Did you really just say Christian Values does no one any harm... History tends to disagree with you completely.

Oh Tom, its a new age,... remember? History has been rewritten to tell you the crusades that happened centuries ago where an attack by the Catholic church when in reality it was in response to Muslim attacks on Christians.
Kind of like what's going on today,.....

[1ViciousGSX]

The Christian values that harm no one are very strong in the Catholic church that I am actually a part of.. Lots of priests going to prison lately.

And are they going to prison because they followed those values,......?

[jeremy1375]

How about the fact that this nation was built on Christian values which does no one any harm. Or that fact that people want to come to America because of what its stands for, but then want to change it into where they came from.

America was founded on the basis of religious freedom, at least according to the Constitution. The word "Christian" isn't anywhere in any document describing our government.

[Trogdor]

How about the fact that this nation was built on Christian values.

Wait, founding fathers said we should built the country's foundations according to a church?

[tpunx99GSX]

Oh Tom, its a new age,... remember? History has been rewritten to tell you the crusades that happened centuries ago where an attack by the Catholic church when in reality it was in response to Muslim attacks on Christians.
Kind of like what's going on today,.....
The Crusades
The Salem Witch Trials
the 30 Years war (40% of the population destroyed mostly in germany)
Various wars vs Protestents
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres in poland (200,000 jews slain)
Atrocities against Native Americans, from genocides to taking children and putting them in white washing schools in Oklahoma which happened against a large number of the midwest indians.
There have been MILLIONS Exterminated and lives ruined due to your christian values and history, and we are not talking about just old time history, we are talking fairly recent history, however christians sure are quick to wash over this and act like it didnt happen and wont happen again.

[1ViciousGSX]

I know Tom,... those evil ten commandments,.... what where they thinking?

And why do you say, "your"? I didn't write them. But please explain what was so wrong with them,.... please.

[tpunx99GSX]

I know Tom,... those evil ten commandments,.... what where they thinking?

And why do you say, "your"? I didn't write them. But please explain what was so wrong with them,.... please.
They are commandments set in a specific religion. So you tell me if these are valid for all religions and people without religion.

1. I am the lord thy god. - Cant get any more specific than that
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me - Uhm yeah
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image - Hmm that seems like an islamic passage about muhummad
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain - God Dammit, that is against my free speech.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy - But football is on sunday
5. Honour thy father and thy mother - That seems pretty logical, but you didnt need to tell me that
6. Thou shalt not kill - I guess christians of history just skipped this one
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery - Not a whole lot of christians care about this one either
8. Thou shalt not steal - Could have gotten this on on our own
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour - Dont lie to your neighbor, sure.
10. Thou shalt not covet (neighbor's wife) - Pretty much the same as adultery but oh well.
theres 11 because depending on which account you follow the first two are intermingled.
So tell me, how is this not mixing church and state as per the rules outlined in oklahomas constitution.

[1ViciousGSX]

Very simple, the "state" is not forcing you to follow them, nor are they making you follow a specific religion, which is what the "separation of church and state" was about. What they are is nothing more than examples of what the founding fathers used as guiding principles to draft the constitution and are a part of American history all the way back to before 1776, not centuries before that for crusades, etc. So drop the white guilt, the religious guilt, the immigrant guilt, the Indian guilt, the Crusades guilt, the Confederate guilt, .... we forgive you.

Geeez, with all this anti-religion animosity, I'm really starting to wonder if you were molested by a priest while on the crusades or something the way you go on about it?

[jeremy1375]

Ten commandments = Christian beliefs. If they are okay, then Buddhist precepts are also okay as well as Muslim laws. Since those who think the Christian beliefs are okay, but nothing else is okay, then a state of intolerance exists.