SERIOUS PROBLEM (Jake Vogel/TKR Mark)

[niterydr]

Sounds like assembly issues on the transmission.

[Goat Blower]

I'd be more concerned about Jake swapping trannies with some junk he had laying around. Mark has always been a stand-up guy along with Mo.

[DoughtCom]

Yeah when I get work done I go to reputable shops, no offense to anyone but it's just I would rather be angry at a shop in a professional manner than risk being angry at someone and letting it get personal.

When going with a shop I go with a shop I trust and pay the money. If I were to choose someone I would sit next to them while they work on it, not only to see first hand what's going on but also because I'm interested in learning.

This shit's expensive, I'm learning right now I should do shit right. All we can do is learn from our mistakes, I hope you learned from yours.

[Speedfreak]

Everyone makes mistakes. But to cover my end, Cam asked if I'd check what I have in another tranny I have.. I will. Unfortunately it's in a storage unit buried under a ton of stuff, then I have to disassemble it, which will need an impact of some sort. Hoping to clear my end in the next few days.

That being said, I remember looking at the diff to make sure it was all good before I dropped it off.. I remember a 4 spider.

[Cammaxon]

Would he honestly go through all that trouble and then have it not work? It had the wrong size shift forks on 5/r. And he would have had to of used the same gasket mark used i dont think any one was trying to rip me off i think it was just a mix up.

but i know that i dont want to just donate $300 to some one. I allready had a 2 spider, i could have kept that and my $300...


I'd be more concerned about Jake swapping trannies with some junk he had laying around. Mark has always been a stand-up guy along with Mo.

[EclipseGST]

To start with...

Does any one know if all the gears sets, shift forks, bearings, are identical in a 1g trans and 2g trans? Mark said he took a Stage whatever 1g trans and put it in Cameron's 2g case... The reason I ask is I have Cameron's 5th gear sitting on a shelf from when I pulled the transmission apart the first time and it has a significantly larger hub, synchro's and slider along with the larger shift fork.

Now the difference in shift forks piviots the smaller shift fork towards the outside of the transmission, causing the shift rail to twist when the shift fork is lined up with the gear set.

Here are a few pictures...

http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/2.JPG
http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/3.jpg
http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/4.jpg
http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/5.jpg
http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/6.jpg

As you can see, when the shift rail is straight, the shift fork inside the trans is why off. Also the difference in size between a stock 5th gear shift fork and whatever the other one is, I'm curious if the shift forks between 1g and 2g are different. So if he would have used a 1g shift rail, it probably would have worked?

There is no way in hell this thing could have shifted on the bench, I dont care what anyone says... You can obviously see the difference, if you put a pin in that shift fork when its rotated to line up with the gear set, the rail turns quite a ways to where the shift linkages wont even touch it.

You guys can say whatever you want about me... I know I didnt touch this trans. It sat in the same spot until I went to put it in. This is the main reason why I told him I did not want to rebuild the trans so he went to mark, I did not want the liability. Then this shit happens and of course its my fault. I should have just rebuilt the trans to begin with and at least make it worth everyone blaming me.

As far as the 4 spider goes, I dont know what happened there. There is some engraving on the outside of the center diff housing that looks as if it could have been machined? Maybe a mix up? All I know is this trans has never been apart since mark put it together.

If you are going to judge me, judge me for who I am today, not yesterday or last year, or even 10 years ago... Look at me today and judge me! I was only here to do the trans swap. I pulled the trans, he had it built, I put it back in. Thats all there is to it. The problem her is between Cameron and Mark...

And Cameron made a good point, if I honestly went through it, why wouldnt I put it back together to make it work so he wouldnt know I took shit out of it?? Why would I put the trans in, start to hook up the shift linkages only to find out there is no 5th/rev, kind of a waste of time. His car has been sitting in my shop for 6 weeks. I would like it gone, not sitting there taking up space even longer.

[Speedfreak]

Would he honestly go through all that trouble and then have it not work? It had the wrong size shift forks on 5/r. And he would have had to of used the same gasket mark used i dont think any one was trying to rip me off i think it was just a mix up.

but i know that i dont want to just donate $300 to some one. I allready had a 2 spider, i could have kept that and my $300...

And I'm not interested in giving good parts only to be accused of something..

Like I mentioned, I'm going to look into it. I'm not sure there was any need of making a post like this that only hurts the situation and kind of pisses off the people you are trying to work through your situation with.

[EclipseGST]

Mo... I will take a few pictures of the numbers for you to see if the case looks similar. I only have one picture of the center diff and thats when we took it apart:

http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/7.jpg

I'll get a few pictures this afternoon.

[blackrosenova400]

http://vogelperformance.com/cameron/4.jpg


Thats a pretty bad mistake and should not have been put together like this. I think it shows lack of knowledge, or lack of paying attention.

At this point it should be taken completely apart, gears, hubs, syncros, bearings, should all be inspected. Then bearing end play/pre-load should be measured as it should have been.

Setting bearing endplay/pre-load is crucial as all the parts were installed into a new case, and should have been checked/set, but I doubt it was.

[EclipseGST]

I have a video of how loose the center diff was. Uploading it now...