Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*

[Jakey]

Actually genius, he lives in California.

Fucking awesome! :eek:

[xveganxcowboyx]

I just want to clarify. Someone earlier posted that pot isn't addictive. This is entirely wrong. Addiction is really an odds game. Some things (nicotine, opiates, etc...) are highly addictive. A large number of the people who use them risk addiction. Others (alcohol, marijuana, etc...) have a lower chance of causing addiction, but still can.

I've seen a lot of drug use in my life (some of which has been my own, though not for a looooong time). I've seen plenty of "hard" and "soft" drug use and none of it has been benefeicial to the user. Drugs are a drag on the users life. The more you use (any drug) the more the drag. It does not necessarily mean you will become a fuck-up or societal mooch. It does, however, mean you will likely not reach full potential. It could be a near trivial difference in the long run or it could ruin your life. It depends on the person, the drug, the frequency, etc...

To get back to the addictive aspects of Marijuana. My brother is without a doubt addicted. He cannot spend any lengthy period of time without it. He cannot face reality without it. My father was an alcoholic. It is my belief that the same tendancy towards addiction is the driving factor in both cases.

For those trying to justify alcohol as better in some way (and commenting about how "retarded" Salvia makes you) just do a search for drunks on video. Or better yet, hit up a frat party.

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

:( Shit, my bad.

[Thor06]

Way to be observant Tauni.

And +1 to what DSMstyle said. I was thinking about that today at work. You are shooting down our views just as fast as we are shooting down yours.

[HaredX]

We aren't shooting down your views at all we are shooting down your close-mindedness, not once have I said drugs are the right thing and everyone should do them I'm just saying stop being so ignorant towards our views.

[tpunx99GSX]

Yeah Hared, you are ignorant to our views as well, we see drugs like this salvia as a total waste to make someone look and act REALLY stupid. and i dont have a single doubt in my mind that this drug will be illegal soon. Anything that makes you act that stupid is a waste in my mind.
We arent close minded, we just choose not to join the nation of burnouts and drug addicts.
I chose to quit doing drugs because I have better things to do. Im not close minded i just care about my life thank you.

[Black97civic]

Ok you cant talk for the rest of the night, that was just stupid. Your talking about addiction not being a gateway.
Being that everyone has been saying "by definition of gateway drug" i have a strong feeling that the Definition of a gateway drug is getting really blurred in all of this.

First of all, the thing you are calling a gateway drug actually doesn't really reinforce the gateway theory, but they stepping stone theory, look it up sometime, interesting read. The gateway theory basically says that people don't do coke or heroin without first trying "lighter" drugs like alcohol or marijuana, but can stay in a stage of just use of alochol, or marijuana. The stepping stone theory is more in line with what you are saying, in which the different drugs represent stones in a river, and once you start you have to keep going one way or the other, either toward hard drug addiction, or sobriety. The way most of you seem to be describing the whole gateway thing is making it into a very black and white issue, when there is really just a whole shitload of gray.

Secondly, you picked a definition of a gateway drug that follows your argument, and happens to side with the "war on drugs" because the government never lies to us or anything...

Anyway, here is some information I found interesting while looking up information on gateway drugs.

Q: Does marijuana lead to the use of other drugs?

A: Long-term studies of high school students and their patterns of drug use show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana. Using marijuana puts children and teens in contact with people who are users and sellers of other drugs. So there is more of a risk that a marijuana user will be exposed to and urged to try more drugs. However, most marijuana users do not go on to use other illegal drugs.

from www.mentalhealth.com

STUDY SAYS MARIJUANA DOES NOT LEAD TO HARD DRUGS

WASHINGTON ( Reuters ) - Countering a basic principle of American anti-drug
policies, an independent U.S. study concluded on Monday that marijuana use
does not lead teenagers to experiment with hard drugs like heroin or
cocaine.

The study by the private, nonprofit RAND Drug Policy Research Center
rebutted the theory that marijuana acts as a so-called gateway drug to more
harmful narcotics, a key argument against legalizing pot in the United
States.

The researchers did not advocate easing restrictions in marijuana, but
questioned the focus on this substance in drug control efforts.

Using data from the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse between 1982 and
1994, the study concluded teenagers who took hard drugs were predisposed to
do so whether they tried marijuana first or not.

"Kids get their first opportunity to use marijuana years before they get
their first exposure to hard drugs," said Andrew Morral, lead author of the
RAND study.

"Marijuana is not a gateway drug. It's just the first thing kids often come
across."

Morral said 50 percent of U.S. teenagers had access to marijuana by the age
of 16, while the majority had no exposure to cocaine, heroin or
hallucinogens until they were 20.

The study, published in the British journal Addiction, does not advocate
legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana, which has been linked to
side-effects including short-term memory loss.

But given limited resources, Morral said the U.S. government should
reconsider the prominence of marijuana in its much-publicized "war on
drugs."

"To a certain extent we are diverting resources away from hard drug
problems," he said. "Spending money on marijuana control may not be having
downstream consequences on the use of hard drugs."

Researchers say predisposition to drug use has been linked to genetic
factors and one's environment, including family dynamics and the
availability of drugs in the neighborhood.

Study done by RAND, their website is www.rand.org

Here is a metaphor for what I am trying to explain, and shows how people misunderstand what a gateway drug really is.

A similar statistical relationship exists between other kinds of common and uncommon related activities. For example, most people who ride a motorcycle (a fairly rare activity) have ridden a bicycle (a fairly common activity). Indeed, the prevalence of motorcycle riding among people who have never ridden a bicycle is probably extremely low. However, bicycle riding does not cause motorcycle riding, and increases in the former will not lead automatically to increases in the latter.

from www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org

[BOVADDICT]

the addiction to pot and salvia comes from the lifestyle. end of story.. its not a physical addiction but more mental.

pots fun.. end of story..

its stupid but fun.

salvia i not going to lie has tempted me for a long time.. why? cause its legal and a trip.. oh well not going to happen.. not falling back into that..

ANYWAY.....cars>drugs. ftw

[HaredX]

Salvia won't be illegal for a LONG time, it has been around for years and years and people have always known about it, the problem with making salvia illegal is that the plant can be used for other purposes such as incense whereas marijuana only has one use. Salvia is sold at pretty much all nurserys and many people grow it in their gardens, there have been plenty of attempts to make it illegal but it will never go through. Also, show me one post where I said that everyone should agree with my views on drugs, it doesn't exist, the only thing I have complained about in this whole argument is that everyone is being so stereotypical and close-minded never once have I said that you guys are stupid for not liking drugs. So you can keep saying that I am being ignorant to your views but you have nothing to base that argument on.

[A//// Guy]

HaredX-

So you say that Pot isnt addictive yet you smoke it everyday? Or were you talking about Salvia? A couple pages back you said you smoke pretty much every day....

That got me thinking... I sure do enjoy alchohol but I certainly dont hit the bottle everyday or even during the week at all. So why do you smoke everyday? Pleasure? I dont know about that, seems like your self control is overpowered by your "habit" of smoking... to me thats an addiction.

And unless your a pretty hardcore alchohol drinker nothing near as bad will happen to your liver compared to smoking really anything.

I see you as being ignorant because you seem to think smoking is not bad for you.. Smoking anything is bad. Theres asthma, and allergies those are just the beggining.. cancer, lung disease... blah blah...

I dont care if other people smoke stuff, so there I am open to that, but smoking crap to act retarded is just dumb... Not even achohol seems to affect people like the vids posted on page 1 of this thread.

Also, do you smoke with more than just you in the room? Because if you smoke alone then that is not just a "fun" thing, because people who drink alone are alchoholics. To me if you do it while hanging out with friends or at partys etc, makes it seem like a social thing.