how to learn engine building???

white 2g awd · 06-28-2005

allright, so i just got my ged....i don't want to hear it about not finishing high school, but anyways i'm looking at maybe taking classes here a dmacc and trying to build my cw'ed engine in my dsm, problem is i don't think they really focus on engine building, especially performance building....i don't know yet, i have to contact them on thursday to talk to a counselor about it, but i'm wondering how some of you guys learned to do your engine swaps, and build the engines, i know alot of you taught your self, and just did it, but i don't really want to cost a $1000 mistake if i do something wrong with the engine. any advice???

AJ · 06-28-2005

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Originally Posted by white 2g awd

allright, so i just got my ged....

I call bull shit!

Put some GED skills behind that typing! Or get your money back from the GED.

white 2g awd · 06-28-2005

well, you know, i don't really care how my punctuantion is when i'm casually typing on here, i know the rules of most forums on it, but i don't think it has to go this far. So asking for help, and seeing as how its going so far from a admin you can go ahead an delete this thread then. since all i'm going to get is shit on. thanks for the help.

AJ · 06-28-2005

Well, you used the shift key once. I guess my dream came true.

**JET** · 06-28-2005

Show us some respect by typing a decent question, and we will show you some respect with a decent answer. Deal?

white 2g awd · 06-28-2005

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Show us some respect by typing a decent question, and we will show you some respect with a decent answer. Deal?

Thank you, I appreciate that. Well, how about this then. How did majority of you on here that know how to build engines learn? Did you read books on it? Did you take classes for it? Did you just learn it by yourself? How about this Dsmstyle, are you happy now? Is this ok with you now? Thank you for your time in this matter. How about that Dsmstyle?

TheBlizzard · 06-29-2005

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Originally Posted by white 2g awd

Thank you, I appreciate that. Well, how about this then. How did majority of you on here that know how to build engines learn? Did you read books on it? Did you take classes for it? Did you just learn it by yourself? How about this Dsmstyle, are you happy now? Is this ok with you now? Thank you for your time in this matter. How about that Dsmstyle?

You better not be being a smartass kid or you will find your stay here a short one. Ask a educated question and you will get a educated answer, and this means typing so we can read what the hell you mean without getting a fucking headache.

**JET** · 06-29-2005

Most of us learned by doing. Some watched someone else do one, or had someone else to ask questions to. I did mine pretty much on my own, but asked Mike some questions. I doubt Mike is going to give out a bunch of advice to someone that isn't a previous customer or a friend though.

Enes · 06-29-2005

Ok comon guys, lighten up, what crawled up your buts lately, give a guy a break. He is just excited that he rebuilt a bridge in his life that was destroyed a while ago. Help him cross it but don't put spike strips down in front of him ;p .

Like Jet said, most people learn by doing it and watching other people do it. There are some good books out there to learn basics. But as with everything in this world, there are different ways for different manufacturers and for different applications. You will not find all inclusive book for engine building, your best bet is to talk to the gearheads, listen and absorb without asking too many questions. (some people are easily anoyed)

Good luck in your adventure, it will be a costly one!

-E

Raptor · 06-29-2005

Your probably not going to like this answer, but it is the truth, accept it or not. The only real way to learn this stuff is by doing, preferrably with some guidance from someone with experience. You can pick a lot of it up over the net reading and in books etc, but the fact is, most people don't comprehend exactly how it should be done from reading. I started building bike engines 25 years ago with friends in my garage. I got lucky enough somehow and they ran fine, after that, I spent a lot of time watching and reading for the first few v8's. Since then it has been 20 years of digging info out of every one decent with a wrench, reading every possible bit of info on it and sharing info with fellow engine builders. If you seriously want to learn, it would be worth paying someone with experience to go through yours with you. Or at least see if you can watch them build one. The education will be worth every penny. Ask lots of questions and take notes.

Last comment. As mentioned above, give respect to get it. If you want people to care about your requests for info etc, show enough respect to care about their requests to simply follow their rules. You care about what your asking, Allan cares that his site doesn't look like most of the other annoying car sites out there.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 06-29-2005

There might be some videos out there now on engine building. Even though they would be for V8s, most of the same methods apply. You would want a factory manual for the motor you are rebuilding also to get all the specs and weird things specific to that motor.

Raptor · 06-29-2005

That is true, I have seen a few videos available online for it. Probably a good idea either way since you could watch it more than once and ask your questions online after without the fear of some annoyed engine builder smacking you with a heavy object.

Enes · 06-29-2005

This is why I like this site more than anything, for the smart answers and good politeness!

Matt D. · 06-29-2005

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without the fear of some annoyed engine builder smacking you with a heavy object.

Namely a 7-bolt crankshaft.

I have yet to build my own engine, but even disassembling an engine you learn how it's assembled and where the pieces go. It's a puzzle, except there are specific measurements that need to be followed for nearly every part.

Enes · 06-29-2005

If you want it done right, pay someone to do it and it will last longer.

When I end up building my engine I will work it into the deal that when the engine is being put together that i am present and watching, even if it means i have to pay extra for the priviledge/time I would not even think about it and gladly would pay.

520Talon · 06-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Enes

If you want it done right, pay someone to do it and it will last longer.

When I end up building my engine I will work it into the deal that when the engine is being put together that i am present and watching, even if it means i have to pay extra for the priviledge/time I would not even think about it and gladly would pay.

Wise words, unless you are planning on building a bunch of motors and don't mind having the car down for a while. I have put a couple together and at the first 1000 pan pull to see how its going I have found barring shavings and had to redo it again. Fourtunately I have never had a massive failure, but I only drive the car a few times a year and enjoy the building as much as the driving.

P.S. The current motor was not built by me because it gets tiresome doing it over, and over, and over.

The answer to your question is I just did it armed with a hanes and a chilton and all the internet reading I could find. Even with all of that the first one I put together and turned over puked coolant all over the place from between the head and the block. 2G headstuds (on a 1G) will torque down to spec on the bottom of the bolt holes while the head still has 2mm of gap. Ahh, the memories.

white 2g awd · 06-29-2005

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You better not be being a smartass kid or you will find your stay here a short one. Ask a educated question and you will get a educated answer, and this means typing so we can read what the hell you mean without getting a fucking headache.

Yes, and I sent DSMStyle a pm with an apology for this. Everyone else, thank you for your insight, it is much appreciated.

white 2g awd · 06-29-2005

After just reading through all the replies, I think I agree too. My only problem though is I just don't have the money, I miss my car. My car has been sitting in the driveway since last august. But none the less i'm going to go to DMACC (Des Moines Area Community College) on thursday and see if I will have enough time for classes, considering I have two jobs that i have to keep, and maybe three here soon. I guess my only worry is pulling the engine, and putting it back, then not forgetting to hook something up, and ruin the motor.

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This is why I like this site more than anything, for the smart answers and good politeness!

Yes this is why I posted here. Because of all the dsm sites I am a member of, this one has had the nicest and most knowledgeable people so far. I posted here because I respect alot of you for being so nice and helpful.

niterydr · 06-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Raptor

That is true, I have seen a few videos available online for it. Probably a good idea either way since you could watch it more than once and ask your questions online after without the fear of some annoyed engine builder smacking you with a heavy object.

LMAO!!
Like mentioned, some knowledge is to be had from classroom and other various froms of instructions, but the majority of the population on this board is from hands on experience.

Pimpin Dsmstyle · 06-29-2005

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Originally Posted by Raptor

That is true, I have seen a few videos available online for it. Probably a good idea either way since you could watch it more than once and ask your questions online after without the fear of some annoyed engine builder smacking you with a heavy object.

.....haha that is a very true risk.. mikes a bitch like that

Glad to have you back.