Supreme Court declares bans on gay marriage unconstitutional.

[Trogdor]

I challenge any one person to come up with a legitimate argument against this that doesn't involve religion. Unless of course you can definitively prove that your religion is the one true, correct, religion. Remember, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," has also been determined by the supreme court to mean that government can't create laws endorsing any one particular religion's views.

[jeremy1375]

The gay marriage ruling and the Obamacare ruling are ruining my straight marriage!

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I challenge any one person to come up with a legitimate argument against this that doesn't involve religion.

Religion can be a legitimate argument; that is their opinion, which is their right. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong. Do I agree with gay marriage? No. Is it wrong? Not for me to decide. If a guy wants to stick his cock in another dude's ass do I really care? Not really...have at it home boy, less competition for the rest of us

[Trogdor]

When it comes to US law, religion should not be a valid argument. One of the things that the United States was founded was religious freedom. That includes not allowing religious ideals to influence decisions when making laws that affect people who may not be members of that specific religion.

Further not all Christians even agree on this issue.

And, if you want to use religion as a justification to ban thing, then I want to ban divorce. The Bible says that's forbidden, unless it's in the case of infidelity.

[Kracka]

Religious ideals, along with lack of religious ideals, influence voting, and voting influences law/government.

Remember, there is a difference between being non-religious and anti-religion; two completely different things.

[jeremy1375]

This is a complicated discussion. Anyone who believes gay marriage is wrong has every right to believe that for any reason.

The problem comes in when those who don't believe in it think their beliefs supersede everyone else so that those who do believe in it shouldn't have it. That's just straight up being a self-centered dick.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Remember, there is a difference between being non-religious and anti-religion; two completely different things.

Again, the Supreme Court has interpreted that laws should not endorse any one particular religion's views. So, yes anti-religious laws are not permitted, which is the more overt statement in "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise." But it is also supposed to prohibit law being created based on religious views.

[tpunx99GSX]

cant find a single reason why not. #LoveWins

Allowing gay people to marry the one they love does not affect my life, my marriage, or my love in any way, shape or form, but does affect my friends who have chosen to marry someone of the same sex, which gives them the same happiness I have.
Conservatives who want small government should be for this, get the government out of the bedroom and stop telling people who they can and cannot love and marry.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

cant find a single reason why not. #LoveWins

Allowing gay people to marry the one they love does not affect my life, my marriage, or my love in any way, shape or form, but does affect my friends who have chosen to marry someone of the same sex, which gives them the same happiness I have.
Conservatives who want small government should be for this, get the government out of the bedroom and stop telling people who they can and cannot love and marry.

I don't think they needed to destroy the definition of marriage to do it, because it is the bonding of a man and a woman, has always been the bonding of a man and a woman, but there's a bigger issue here. And it's already starting to show itself because here comes the pedophiles,..... Because they deserve "the same happiness you have".

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

I don't think they needed to destroy the definition of marriage to do it, because it is the bonding of a man and a woman, has always been the bonding of a man and a woman, but there's a bigger issue here. And it's already starting to show itself because here comes the pedophiles,..... Because they deserve "the same happiness you have".

That's a slippery slope argument.

Furthermore, its very easy to argue that people of X age and younger lack the capacity to make Y decision. There will always be exceptions to this, and some of our age limits here in America are set arbitrarily. But to a large degree, science (not subjective religious opinions) and set this straight.

Additionally, we can definitively show young kids who experience molestation, or other sexual experiences at a young age are much more likely to develop mental health problems. There is a clear negative effect there, unlike in the case of same-sex marriage (other wise now know as just marriage).

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

I don't think they needed to destroy the definition of marriage to do it, because it is the bonding of a man and a woman, has always been the bonding of a man and a woman, but there's a bigger issue here. And it's already starting to show itself because here comes the pedophiles,..... Because they deserve "the same happiness you have".

Didn't take long at all:

http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/that-w...-equal-rights/

It is a very slippery slope...once you start making changes it's tough to stop that rolling ball of progress.

[1ViciousGSX]

Yep.

But the slipperiest slope of all,..... the fact that 9 unelected lawyers can write/rewrite legislation from the bench unchecked, unhindered by the Constitution they swore to uphold. And that's the worst part of it all.

There is nothing in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that gives the SCOTUS the power to do what they did.

[jeremy1375]

^

SCOTUS didn't do anything that Congress couldn't undo if the people demanded it. Congress has the power to write legislation as well as amend the Constitution, if they have the backing of the people. The system of check and balances is still in effect. The country just has enough people in favor of same sex marriage that it is unlikely.

And it was the due process clause that gave SCOTUS the power to do what they did...

[A//// Guy]

Not even going to comment about all those crazy slippery slope posts. LOL Soon Ill be able to marry a hamburger because I love them so.

Didnt expect them to pass this federally at all until maybe a few years down the road, but its about time.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

^

SCOTUS didn't do anything that Congress couldn't undo if the people demanded it. Congress has the power to write legislation as well as amend the Constitution, if they have the backing of the people. The system of check and balances is still in effect. The country just has enough people in favor of same sex marriage that it is unlikely.

And it was the due process clause that gave SCOTUS the power to do what they did...

You need to brush up on your Separation of Powers. The SCOTUS doesn't have the power to do what it did.

http://constitutionality.us/SupremeCourt.html

A judicial activist is a judge who interprets the Constitution to mean what it would have said if he, instead of the Founding Fathers, had written it."
Sam Ervin
"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"
Samuel Adams
"Day by day, case by case, the court is busy redesigning a Constitution for a nation I do not recognize."
Justice Antonin Scalia

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by A//// Guy

Not even going to comment about all those crazy slippery slope posts. LOL Soon Ill be able to marry a hamburger because I love them so.

The same thing was said about homosexual marriages mere decades ago... It's not so crazy when you look at how quickly things have already progressed post-WWII era. What was considered to be extreme/crazy/illegal back then is now normal and common place (don't take this the wrong way, I am my no means saying its all bad). Who knows where this country will be in another 50 years. It's not like the ball of progress is going to stop just because gay marriage is legal and the Confederate flag is banned; it's just now starting to really pick up steam

It's that damn rock-n-roll I tell ya!

[tpunx99GSX]

Slippery slope, hardly. No you wont see pedophiles getting rights to marry, based on pedophilia being illegal, homosexuality is not illegal and therefore makes it ok to give rights to.
And who the hell cares about the definition of marriage? Does it really affect your marriage by redefining it? no, no it doesnt.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

It's not like the ball of progress is going to stop just because gay marriage is legal and the Confederate flag is banned; it's just now starting to really pick up steam

It's that damn rock-n-roll I tell ya!

The confederate flag is not banned you tool. They took it off the state capital. get over it.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

"How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!"
Samuel Adams

Could be said of every religion interpreting their holy book.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

The confederate flag is not banned you tool. They took it off the state capital. get over it.

Let's please refrain from name calling before Scheides blows up this section...again.