Glenn Bitch and Fat Grey.

tpunx99GSX · 10-07-2010

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ce...tent=BlogEntry
Someone should really just end these guys. They are a stain in the underpants of america.

**Kracka** · 10-07-2010

Should have paid the $75 fee I guess

sleepydsm · 10-07-2010

Why didn't they just pay the fee to begin with?

A//// Guy · 10-07-2010

I agree with Beck and Grey. Pay a fee imposed to protect your house or bye bye it goes.

**Goat Blower** · 10-07-2010

Because they expected someone else to do it, personal responsibility is out of vogue these days. I bet they also called their insurance guy to hurry up and put insurance on their house because they didn't see a need for that in advance either.

We've seen this same thing in our association. We send countless letters asking for the yearly dues to cover needed expenses, and then all of the sudden when those people who tell us they're not paying need our signature to build a deck, they hurry up and make the minimum quarterly payment of $75 to build a $10k deck.

tpunx99GSX · 10-07-2010

If they have to pay the fire department $75 per whatever, then why is it that we pay taxes? Why do states put aside money for police/fire departments in their budgets? These are government departments that are run by the state and city governments, and should not be required additional money that is not called a tax. We pay for roads, police, fire, education etc etc etc. Why dont they charge for public education? oh yeah because its a tax, and if you had to pay extra it would be considered a Private School.
The one side is the $75 fee, the other side is that beck and grey mock the family even though they lost their house, their memories, their pets etc, yet beck calls himself a good mormon, Sorry buddy but true religious people do not tread all over those less fortunate, or people that have just had a tradgedy happen. its like what was said in the article, "Whats next, beck going to make fun of Cancer patients, Abused homeless children?" Just pure heartless....
I really hope you do not have to face what this family has faced, by watching their house burn to the ground while others with the means to fix the problem stand aside.
But tell me, Was it the families fault that the fire was burning in the first place? (there was a grass fire that was spreading to the house). No it wasnt.
I am just sick of all of the heartlessness... its those people who are whats wrong with america today. Not the muslims, people who cant pay your bills, or the less fortunate, its YOU, its the idiots that sit in their houses and look down on those who are making due with the hand that was dealt them.
/end rant <,|,,

Matt D. · 10-07-2010

Sorry, Tom, but your buddy Gene Cranick is not a saint.

http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=46801

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South Fulton Mayor David Crocker said city officials don’t want to see anyone’s house burn, but he emphasized that South Fulton has a city fire department which is supported by city taxes in order to serve its residents — with a rural fire subscription service made available outside the city limits to county residents in the city’s designated rural coverage area.
“We’re very sorry their house burned,” he said.
Mayor Crocker said if the fire department operated on a per-call basis outside the city, there would be no incentive for anyone to pay the rural fee. As an analogy, he said if an auto owner allowed their vehicle insurance to lapse, they would not expect an insurance company to pay for an unprotected vehicle after it was wrecked.

Consider it an involuntary fire insurance. Just as people on flood prone land can opt in for flood insurance, rural residents can pay for fire protection. This guy failed to do so and paid for it.

Tom, you're barking up the wrong tree once again.

**Goat Blower** · 10-07-2010

I don't have time to listen to the transcript right now, but judging that it's coming from the puffington host, I wouldn't be surprised if it's taken out of context, or there's a lot more to the story. Everybody felt bad for balloon boy's father, until the whole story came out. I'm guessing this is a similar situation.

**Goat Blower** · 10-07-2010

This is run like an insurance deal. A lot of people pay in a small amount so that when a few need it, it's taken care of. The alternative would be to only charge those that need it after the fact, but that cost could easily be $1000, and I guarantee this Cranick guy wouldn't pay that either. He was adequately warned just as I thought, this was no surprise.

**Kracka** · 10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

1) We pay for roads, police, fire, education etc etc etc. Why dont they charge for public education? oh yeah because its a tax, and if you had to pay extra it would be considered a Private School.

2) the other side is that beck and grey mock the family

3) I really hope you do not have to face what this family has faced, by watching their house burn to the ground while others with the means to fix the problem stand aside.
But tell me, Was it the families fault that the fire was burning in the first place? (there was a grass fire that was spreading to the house).

1) We do pay for improved public schools via property tax referendum. Residents are given a choice just like this guy/family was. He decided the $75 fee wasn't worth it to him; he took a gamble and now has to face the consequences of that decision just like parents do when they decide whether or not to increase funds for their children's school. In this case though, the choice was completely personal and not determined by the majority group so if anything he is even more to blame.

2) Yet it's ok for you to insult and wish death upon Beck and Grey?

3) He was offered protection for only $75 yet he decided against it. He has nobody to blame but himself. Time for people to take some personal accountability rather than trying to blame everyone but themselves.

**Goat Blower** · 10-07-2010

Amen.

**goodhart** · 10-07-2010

Maybe I'm missing something here, but Fire Dept's get paid by tax money, what are they doing with their current funding that they need this extra $75 to keep the Dept going??

Matt D. · 10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by goodhart

Maybe I'm missing something here, but Fire Dept's get paid by tax money, what are they doing with their current funding that they need this extra $75 to keep the Dept going??

The fire department is funded by city taxes. This home was outside of the city limits (rural) so therefore I believe that said city taxes did not apply to this property. The $75 fee only applies to rural properties. It's just another case of people expecting to get something for nothing.

**Kracka** · 10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by Matt D.

http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=46801
Consider it an involuntary fire insurance. Just as people on flood prone land can opt in for flood insurance, rural residents can pay for fire protection. This guy failed to do so and paid for it.

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Originally Posted by goodhart

Maybe I'm missing something here, but Fire Dept's get paid by tax money, what are they doing with their current funding that they need this extra $75 to keep the Dept going??

Read and you shall be granted the answer.

**goodhart** · 10-07-2010

Weird, since my parents and their neighbor's live outside of City limits but are still covered by the City fire dept. Kind of curious that this city is different, it seems that any other city can seem to budget and protect houses outside of the city limits, but this one can't? wtf.

btw, I'm not on Tom's side on this, I just find it really weird that this city requires a supplemental fee on top of the existing taxes for a service that's all.

**Kracka** · 10-07-2010

Why should the residents of said city have to pay for others when others don't pay for them? The residents of the city pay for the fire dept via property taxes but those in the outside rural area do not. Maybe your parents' area is setup differently. Would you ask someone to pay additional property taxes to support a school district they don't live in?

**goodhart** · 10-07-2010

I'll have to ask my parents how their setup works. I would assume everyone with the same zip code would pay that city's taxes.

tpunx99GSX · 10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by Kracka

Why should the residents of said city have to pay for others when others don't pay for them? The residents of the city pay for the fire dept via property taxes but those in the outside rural area do not. Maybe your parents' area is setup differently. Would you ask someone to pay additional property taxes to support a school district they don't live in?

Its because NORMAL states, base it on a county tax. My parents are the same way, itasca county takes the tax which is given to Big Forks fire department. Why this state is different i have no idea.
My main balk on this thread is not so much that a $x00,000 house was destroyed by a $75 fee (which is fucked up when they could have just charged the owner a penalty instead) , but because of Glenn Beck and Pat Greys attitude towards the situation, making fun, mocking and picking on this family because of their situation.
On a brighter note, the son of the father, walked into the fire department and punched out the Chief. I would have done the same :Applaud:

**goodhart** · 10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

My main balk on this thread is not so much that a $x00,000 house was destroyed by a $75 fee (which is fucked up when they could have just charged the owner a penalty instead) , but because of Glenn Beck and Pat Greys attitude towards the situation, making fun, mocking and picking on this family because of their situation.
On a brighter note, the son of the father, walked into the fire department and punched out the Chief. I would have done the same :Applaud:

Or sent them the bill? Standing there watching it burn is kinda fucked up in my book.

I would have done the same thing as the son did if this happened to my parents.

Matt D. · 10-07-2010

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

On a brighter note, the son of the father, walked into the fire department and punched out the Chief. I would have done the same :Applaud:

You clearly did not read the link I posted. The home owner himself punched the fire chief. He failed at taking care of business to protect his property and it's the fire chief's fault? Stay classy, Tom.