Outsourcing

[A//// Guy]

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...cession/63039/

The outsourcing debate was sparked in the shoutbox. Some food for thought.

[tpunx99GSX]

http://www.amazon.com/Great-American.../ref=pd_cp_b_2
http://www.amazon.com/Outsourcing-Am.../dp/081440989X

Two good reads on the subject of oursoursing.
and by the way, Outsourcing leads to futher elimination of the Middle class. If companies keep outsourcing the amount of jobs they currently do, and the government keeps giving them money for doing it, we will continue to see high unemployment numbers, high taxes, Elimination of the middle class and our country sold off to the highest bidder ending in an overall revolution of the lower over the higher class.
Middle america is already dropping off daily to the lower class while the rich get richer. And no one finds this crazy. Yay, why not give more money to the rich by giving them tax cuts. You guys are rediculous.

[tpunx99GSX]

and lets not forget how pissed off everyone was about this...
http://mitsustyle.com/forums/showthr...+manufacturing
Can we say Hipocrite?

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

http://www.amazon.com/Great-American.../ref=pd_cp_b_2
http://www.amazon.com/Outsourcing-Am.../dp/081440989X

Two good reads on the subject of oursoursing.
and by the way, Outsourcing leads to futher elimination of the Middle class. If companies keep outsourcing the amount of jobs they currently do, and the government keeps giving them money for doing it, we will continue to see high unemployment numbers, high taxes, Elimination of the middle class and our country sold off to the highest bidder ending in an overall revolution of the lower over the higher class.
Middle america is already dropping off daily to the lower class while the rich get richer. And no one finds this crazy. Yay, why not give more money to the rich by giving them tax cuts. You guys are rediculous.

First off, have you even read both of those books?

Second, I can't tell if you are for outsourcing or against it. Both of those books seem to be about why outsourcing has happened and what can be done to bring those jobs back to the US.

I swear you were pro-outsourcing so your comment really makes no sense, and none of us ever said anything about giving tax cuts to the wealthy.

[tpunx99GSX]

I am anti Outsourcing and have never been FOR outsoursing. The arguement in the SB was all of the conservatives (peter, Pete and hughes) saying how Outsoursing was good for our economy. O_o

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

I am anti Outsourcing and have never been FOR outsoursing. The arguement in the SB was all of the conservatives (peter, Pete and hughes) saying how Outsoursing was good for our economy. O_o

Wait, what? It wasn't anything like that.

There's a time for needing outsourcing, and that time is now. I agree with them, but it is definitely not a long term solution, which they also said and cited sources backing up what they said.

As an admin I'm asking that you either stop skewing what everyone says to fit your political agenda or you need to stop posting on this forum. Your posts provide no value to this forum and do nothing but stir the pot. It's as if you're purposely trolling and it's getting tiring running in a circle playing a game of words with you.

[Speedfreak]

Outsourcing isn't going to go away. What has to happen is America needs to adapt and figure out it's next niches are and build around those industries. Issue is China and India have very educated people who bill out very low rates due to the shear number of people in both countries. Those people need jobs, and foreign countries/companies are happy to save the money.

Industries like healthcare, biomedical fields, IT related, anything related to military spending, and some manufacturing sectors are our strong suit currently(I'm sure I'm missing others, but you get the idea). These industries need to be built upon, and other manufacturing sectors need to be exploited in order for the middle class to be built again.

In the end this country needs to work on it's education system from the bottom up. In order to be middle class(generally speaking), you need a certain level of education and drive.. Americans need good institutions as well as the will/drive to work hard again.

I'm not for or against outsourcing, but it's not going to get any better in regards to outsourcing unless the American workers show their value, or industries simply need manpower within the US(if for some reason there is a boom in that industry).

[Goat Blower]

The middle class is alive and well, I still don't get the war cry from the libs that it's only rich and poor left. Pretty much everybody I know would be considered middle class, and looking at the houses still being built all over the twin cities, it seems that more are coming here as well. I suppose some will actually believe the media's class warfare farce, but if you actually look around, I think you'll see you're being scammed.

And for outsourcing, it's just going to happen as long as people are demanding more for their money, it's a natural evolution. Plus, with the unions still over-inflating wages even in a recession, while at the same time reducing productivity, employers have to either find a cheaper solution, or close the doors. Add to that the highest corporate tax in the world, and you see why businesses are leaving MN for states with less corporate tax, and larger companies leaving the US for cheaper labor and overhead. I'm not for outsourcing, but sometimes you have to adapt in the business world to stay in business and get ahead.

[Kracka]

Tom doesn't understand that if businesses are no longer profitable, they'll shut their doors and then nobody will have a job. Unless of course the government pumps money into them like our incredibly inefficient auto industry.

[tpunx99GSX]

The thing i find funny is that the Nutjob right wingers, want to get rid of illegal immegrants, partly because they take up american jobs, yet, are for off shoring positions. So... what are you guys for? Taking away american jobs, or giving them back. Well most illegal (and legal for that matter) immegrants and migrant workers end up taking crappy minimum wage jobs, yet, most jobs that get off shored are higher paying jobs. So one can come to the conclusion that the conservative right want americans to take crappy jobs and give the good jobs like in manufacturing to the chinese.
Or maybe it is because they want to save corperations money. well then why not just give illegal (or legal) immegrants those jobs they were going to outsource, at half of what they would have paid a citizen, but within our borders? LOL.
Outsourcing and Immegration are often times brought up as two completely seperate issues, but these are actually very similar and connected.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

most jobs that get off shored are higher paying jobs.

Really Tom?

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

First off, have you even read both of those books?

Tom, you never answered my question.

[mlomker]

Most illegal immigrants don't even have a high school education. You can't really compare that to the available labor force in China, Thailand, or Vietnam.

A lot of conservatives would be fine with immigration if they weren't consuming public services and having their children considered Americans just for being born here. What other 1st-world country allows that? It's utterly insane. If you get sick overseas without any money then the best you could hope for is getting deported.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Really Tom?

Look at what jobs get outsourced to overseas:
IT: Tech support, Web Development, Software Development etc.
Manufactureing: GM Employees get anywhere between 14 and 28 per hour.
Now look at what the immigrants usually take as jobs:
Farms: Field Workers.
Service industry: Janitors, Maids, Cooks, etc.

Now compare these two industries and wages if they were all here in the US. Yeah this is what i mean.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Tom, you never answered my question.

Yes i have read both of those books. Otherwise i would not have recommended them. It was a stupid question, and stupid questions dont deserve answers.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Middle america is already dropping off daily to the lower class while the rich get richer. And no one finds this crazy. Yay, why not give more money to the rich by giving them tax cuts. You guys are rediculous.

Please do keep in mind that 7 of the 10 richest congressmen are democrats
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/20...est=latestnews

Maybe it's time you take your own advice and stop blindly following a faith?

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Please do keep in mind that 7 of the 10 richest congressmen are democrats
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/20...est=latestnews

Maybe it's time you take your own advice and stop blindly following a faith?

And what do all 7 say about the tax cuts for the rich, along with bill gates and many other billionares... They say, WE DONT NEED THOSE TAX CUTS.
Bill gates came out and said it, and the 7 Democrats are among the many looking to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Look at what jobs get outsourced to overseas:
IT: Tech support, Web Development, Software Development etc.
Manufactureing: GM Employees get anywhere between 14 and 28 per hour.
Now look at what the immigrants usually take as jobs:
Farms: Field Workers.
Service industry: Janitors, Maids, Cooks, etc.

Now compare these two industries and wages if they were all here in the US. Yeah this is what i mean.

You claim that illegal immigration and outsourcing go hand in hand, yet are for one but against the other. I don't get it.

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Yes i have read both of those books. Otherwise i would not have recommended them. It was a stupid question, and stupid questions dont deserve answers.

All of your politically-fueled references seem quite unreal so it was only fair to ask.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

You claim that illegal immigration and outsourcing go hand in hand, yet are for one but against the other. I don't get it.

No i am pointing out the hipocracy that is the view of the Republican party. They are for deporting immegrants (that are doing cheap labor that would otherwise still be minimum wage jobs) but yet are for out sourcing jobs (that are expensive labor that will help americans prosper and become a strong middle class).
I dont see what you are misunderstanding? What im saying is that americans dont want to make minimum wage, and are too proud to take those positions, yet the positions they want that pay well enough to support their families are not available because they have been shipped overseas to india and china.
What the Republicans are essentially saying without coming out and saying it is, "Shoot the jobs that will let americans prosper overseas, and make the talented individuals that would be taking those jobs work in the fields making jack shit."
Did i clearify that for you?

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

And what do all 7 say about the tax cuts for the rich, along with bill gates and many other billionares... They say, WE DONT NEED THOSE TAX CUTS.
Bill gates came out and said it, and the 7 Democrats are among the many looking to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

If they truly hated the idea of themselves being rich they'd just spread the wealth throughout the lower classes.