View Poll Results: Where do I go from here? (now that all of the children have grown up...)
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Build the X
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No one wants a $60k evo with high monthly payments, get out now and buy a 9.
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03-23-2011
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#1401
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Well testing is all done.
I think Jordan said he'd put the graphs together tomorrow but it was pretty interesting to say the least.
The most interesting part of the manifold that is staying on my car was that my track tune which dyno'd last october at 570whp/455wtq made 562whp/465wtq...but last time it was at like 37psi and this time was at like 32psi...5 psi less and close to the same power and more torque...
Once the tunes are tweaked I think this manifold should be worth some solid gains!
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03-23-2011
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#1402
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R U DTF bro?
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oak Point, TX
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Damn you, more info! MAP long-runner?
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I agree with Kracka.
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03-23-2011
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#1403
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Damn you, more info! MAP long-runner?
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Yes, I currently have the MAP long runner on there.
We tested 4 total...I will let Chris release some results tomorrow on the dyno graphs...but I guess if anyone has questions I will answer them. I don't think they have anything to hide.
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03-24-2011
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#1404
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Blaine, MN
Drives: '91 Automagic
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
In for long runner info.
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03-24-2011
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#1405
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Here is a little info....it's an overlay of boost logs from my car. One is from last October on the stock ported mani, one is from last night with the long runner. Both are my "track tune". The numbers should be pretty close as the baselines were spot on for my regular tune with the stock mani this week vs last october (within 1hp).
Numbers for stock ported were - 564whp/464wtq.
Numbers for long runner were - 562whp/465wtq.
So basically the same damn numbers at way way less boost...next step...bring the boost back up
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03-24-2011
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#1406
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R U DTF bro?
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Oak Point, TX
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
LOL
So how did the MAP long-runner compare vs. the FiD and MAP short-runner?
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I agree with Kracka.
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03-24-2011
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#1407
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
I could post boost plots of all of them if you want. I don't have all the dyno graphs yet though so it will be tough to say numbers wise.
The FID did provide the least amount of gain over any of the manifolds on the normal tune. But boost was a tad lower. still not near as low as the long runner though.
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03-24-2011
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#1408
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flips McGee
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
FWIW when we were tuning my car on the first pull made almost the exact same power as it did last summer, ~340whp, but at only 20psi vs the 28psi it ran last summer. When we turned the boost back up the car hit 400, but with more taper i.e. more to go.
High hopes for this retune are certainly worth having!
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I need to listen to Scheides more often i think :)
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...I realized that I can't keep up my shit talking without anything to back it up.
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Originally Posted by JV
S2000: For those of us that know the Miata is the best car on the planet, but also want extra power and to not have to turn in our man cards.
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03-24-2011
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#1409
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
So basically exactly what I am seeing
I might be trying your MBC/3 port setup to reduce wastegate duty cycle up top to see if we can get more outta it. I asked Shane what he thought was the best option, MBC, Forge wga (which i know he hates, but has a 25psi spring) or cranking down my blouch one more on the preload as it has lots of thread for preloading.
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03-24-2011
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#1410
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
well here are general spool numbers. I don't have the numbers to go with each of these runs so its hard to say anything conclusively, but here are the rough spool numbers. (I kinda chose them at random from the groups of runs).
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03-24-2011
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R U DTF bro?
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
Any pics of this MAP prototype? When you refer to long-runner, that is Scheides' old one, right?
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
I agree with Kracka.
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03-24-2011
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#1412
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Kracka
Any pics of this MAP prototype? When you refer to long-runner, that is Scheides' old one, right?
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Correct.
No pics, I suppose I should've taken a few, but the prototype one might be a one off so I didn't want to take any pictures. I am sure Chris could get you a few pics though.
Those are .5 psi tick marks too on the graph, not 1psi...so you can see that both MAP longer runner type designs were quite a bit lower on spool up.
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03-24-2011
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#1413
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
By lower are you referring to the initial boost spike? It appears that boost on both MAP long runner manifolds was lower throughout. Numbers coming soon!
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03-24-2011
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Shit Rocket Pilot
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
These manifold comparisons are getting old. You tune for the setup, not for the part. You could have two identically built cars and the tunes between them will be anything but identical. It might be apples to apples, but comparing Red Delicious to Granny Smith is silly. One is good for eating, the other makes great deserts. It all comes down to the application and ingredients.
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03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
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Originally Posted by Tachyon
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
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03-24-2011
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#1415
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by v8klla
By lower are you referring to the initial boost spike? It appears that boost on both MAP long runner manifolds was lower throughout. Numbers coming soon!
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Yes the boost spike, which tends to carry power through the rpm range better. But overall boost was typically lower on the long runner designs on all the runs.
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
These manifold comparisons are getting old. You tune for the setup, not for the part. You could have two identically built cars and the tunes between them will be anything but identical. It might be apples to apples, but comparing Red Delicious to Granny Smith is silly. One is good for eating, the other makes great deserts. It all comes down to the application and ingredients.
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I could go for some apple pie, sounds yummy.
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03-24-2011
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#1416
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Cottage Grove, MN
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Matt D.
These manifold comparisons are getting old. You tune for the setup, not for the part. You could have two identically built cars and the tunes between them will be anything but identical. It might be apples to apples, but comparing Red Delicious to Granny Smith is silly. One is good for eating, the other makes great deserts. It all comes down to the application and ingredients.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion (which I agree with to an extent, every car is different), but if you recall I was all but forced into this round of testing
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03-24-2011
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#1417
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Shit Rocket Pilot
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Shoreview, MN
Drives: 2003 Evolution VIII
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by v8klla
You're certainly entitled to your opinion (which I agree with to an extent, every car is different), but if you recall I was all but forced into this round of testing
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And imagine that, your product performed the best at your facility. Shocking.
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"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." -Mario Andretti
03 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tachyon
Every minute you spend in your Evo, not in boost, is a minute of your life you'll never get back.
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03-24-2011
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#1418
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Lino Lakes
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
If you want to get technical...the short runner that they don't make performed by far the best overall on the actual testing. Best spool/most power.
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03-24-2011
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#1419
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formerly ecoli
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: On the dyno
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Murlo26
If you want to get technical...the short runner that they don't make performed by far the best overall on the actual testing. Best spool/most power.
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If that is the one listed as "MAP Short Runner" above, then it was also making the most boost.
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03-24-2011
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#1420
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog
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Originally Posted by Shane@DBPerformance
If that is the one listed as "MAP Short Runner" above, then it was also making the most boost.
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Indeed, which is why this test can never be perfect no matter what you do.
You either change the tune to get the boost and everything as close as possible or you do what we did. I think both have advantages and both have shortcomings.
I don't think either is better than the other.
But the short runner is still running comparable boost to the baseline which is what matters.
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