Evo X upgrades - Page 38

FattyBoomBatty · 05-24-2010

Sweetness. Sadly though, you get used to the power after a bit. Lucky for you it just keeps going back for more, haha.

If idle is bad, keep going up till it gets better. Some rx7's idle at 2000rpm.

**mlomker** · 05-24-2010

I did go up to BIR but I only got 8 laps in. It got to the point where it was misfiring even at high rpm and I just wasn't interested in abusing the motor.

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Sweetness. Sadly though, you get used to the power after a bit. Lucky for you it just keeps going back for more, haha.

I believe it! For the sake of expediency, I requested that Shane polish up my current tune and leave the power level where it is at for now. I dropped it back off at DB on the way home.

The good news is that the car feels awesome. The suspension setup is confidence-inspiring on the track and the tires didn't even squawk at the pace I was running (admittedly slow). It's something that I can grow into for the rest of the Summer...can turn up the wick later.

**Murlo26** · 05-24-2010

So you had the car at BIR today right? How was it?

turbotalon1g · 05-24-2010

^That sounds like a good plan.

**scheides** · 05-24-2010

Sorry about the misfires man

Did you try swapping in the stock coils?

**mlomker** · 05-25-2010

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Did you try swapping in the stock coils?

Stock coils and a set of HKS one-step colder plugs. I called around and none of the local Mitsu dealers had a set of new stock plugs in stock on Saturday.

The car never misfired when I was on the DW1000 injectors and the old tune. The misfires occur around 3k rpm so it shouldn't even be boost-related. You let off the gas approaching a turn and then go part-throttle to accelerate through it and pop.

I'm hoping Shane can iron the issues out with a few more hours on the dyno. If not then different injectors are going in. We're watering a plant with a fire hose. DW needs to release the 1300's that they have in beta testing. They'd be ideal.

**Murlo26** · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

Stock coils and a set of HKS one-step colder plugs. I called around and none of the local Mitsu dealers had a set of new stock plugs in stock on Saturday.

The car never misfired when I was on the DW1000 injectors and the old tune. The misfires occur around 3k rpm so it shouldn't even be boost-related. You let off the gas approaching a turn and then go part-throttle to accelerate through it and pop.

I'm hoping Shane can iron the issues out with a few more hours on the dyno. If not then different injectors are going in. We're watering a plant with a fire hose. DW needs to release the 1300's that they have in beta testing. They'd be ideal.

You could talk to Chris at MAP and see if he could get you those DW1200's that I was going to test for them.

Since I won't need them I am sure they are still looking for someone to test them, plus you would get them for a smoking deal

For your levels the dw1000's should be fine anyway, I ran mine up to 420whp on Shanes dyno, probably 430whp with normal size tires/rims and still had a bit left.

**goodhart** · 05-25-2010

You can't just go to Napa or O'Rielly's for spark plugs?

**Kracka** · 05-25-2010

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You can't just go to Napa or O'Rielly's for spark plugs?

IX's and X's use specialty Iridium plugs that can be tough to find locally (X's especially). They're expensive, but they also last a long time (I swapped out my stock plugs at 46k miles and they still had plenty of life left in them).

**goodhart** · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by Kracka

IX's and X's use specialty Iridium plugs that can be tough to find locally (X's especially). They're expensive, but they also last a long time (I swapped out my stock plugs at 46k miles and they still had plenty of life left in them).

Wow, that really sucks. At least they last forever I guess. On my old 16g setup on my 1g, I would get about 2 tanks of gas for each set of plugs. lol

**scheides** · 05-25-2010

If nothing else, at the power level you are at you could toss the 1000's back in for a while and just have shane tune you on them. Then you have a good solid car, and can swap in bigger injectors when you know there is a product that will work for you. Misfires are bad bad bad at this power level.

**mlomker** · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

If nothing else, at the power level you are at you could toss the 1000's back in for a while and just have shane tune you on them.

That's a definite possibility since I know they run perfectly. I have them at home instead of DB but I think I'll just give Shane a crack at getting the ID's to work.

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For your levels the dw1000's should be fine anyway, I ran mine up to 420whp on Shanes dyno, probably 430whp with normal size tires/rims and still had a bit left.

Yeah but I like to plan for the future and not satisfice. The math gets tough not matter how you go about it...selling old injectors, buying new injectors, paying Shane by the hour, etc.

I talked to a guy with the new DW1500's and his symptoms are identical to mine (as far as warm starting, etc). The misfiring needs to be fixed but hard to say what others issues might remain. The DW1300's should be the perfect size if they tune like the 1000's...getting a set is definitely on the option list.

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Originally Posted by Kracka

IX's and X's use specialty Iridium plugs that can be tough to find locally (X's especially).

Plugs on the X are stupid. $18/ea for stockers ($22+ for aftermarket). I don't think it's the problem anyway but it was Shane's suggestion to try new plugs.

**Murlo26** · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by scheides

If nothing else, at the power level you are at you could toss the 1000's back in for a while and just have shane tune you on them. Then you have a good solid car, and can swap in bigger injectors when you know there is a product that will work for you. Misfires are bad bad bad at this power level.

Yea misfires are the suck...

I ordered plugs from AMS and got them in like 2-3 days. No dealers stock them, they all have to order them and they are very pricey.

**mlomker** · 05-25-2010

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Misfires are bad bad bad at this power level.

Misfires are always bad but the car actually makes less power at 3k rpm now than it did on the stock turbo.

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I just got an email from DW saying that they are making 1200's as well. To be released 'this Summer'. Hmpf. Bastards.

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turbotalon1g · 05-25-2010

I thought u had the ID injectors?

**mlomker** · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I thought u had the ID injectors?

Yeah. Shane says that the X doesn't have some of the injector-related tables that he normally uses to dial them in. Without those it'll take more time and tinkering to get them running smoothly.

It's the hazard of owning a newer car...you end up paying the hourly rate while vendors, tuners, etc. figure out how to do things. It ultimately does help out the community but American Express keeps sending me thank-you letters.

turbotalon1g · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

Yeah. Shane says that the X doesn't have some of the injector-related tables that he normally uses to dial them in. Without those it'll take more time and tinkering to get them running smoothly.

It's the hazard of owning a newer car...you end up paying the hourly rate while vendors, tuners, etc. figure out how to do things. It ultimately does help out the community but American Express keeps sending me thank-you letters.

oh and you want to switch to the DW injectors?

It is a hazard of a newer car and trying something new, it still happens with older cars too, usually we know what we are getting into.

Why didn't you try FIC bluemax injectors?

**mlomker** · 05-25-2010

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Why didn't you try FIC bluemax injectors?

They require splicing and Shane was concerned about the latency. There were no results at the time I made the parts list for my build but people have subsequently reported good luck on the X with the 1100's.

Shane has some experience with the ID's and sold them to me at a fair price so that's why I went that way.

**Murlo26** · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

They require splicing and Shane was concerned about the latency. There were no results at the time I made the parts list for my build but people have subsequently reported good luck on the X with the 1100's.

Shane has some experience with the ID's and sold them to me at a fair price so that's why I went that way.

If you can dial them in they will be the last injector you buy, assuming they don't break.

They are great injectors, its just a LOT of fuel to control.

turbotalon1g · 05-25-2010

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Originally Posted by mlomker

They require splicing and Shane was concerned about the latency. There were no results at the time I made the parts list for my build but people have subsequently reported good luck on the X with the 1100's.

Shane has some experience with the ID's and sold them to me at a fair price so that's why I went that way.

Cool dude, i was just wondering that is all. Also just trying to help on the map sensor thing, its just sitting here.

Do they sell lightweight pieces for your car? Since the market is bigger for the X I hope you guys get some good pieces or maybe you can convince some local shops to make some for you.