What do you think is a more reliable car?

slowbubblecar · 07-17-2005

A kid at work was talking about how good of a car his saturn is and how they are much more reliable than other cars. I told him I thought hondas were more reliable but he was saying that saturns were much better and that hondas have many problems. This kid is really stupid but I wanted to see what everyone else thinks is more reliable. If you think other cars are better, post up what you think would be the best daily driver. Don't say a dsm.

AJ · 07-17-2005

I go with theses 2 sayings:

Every car is reliable if it's taken care of the right way.

Cars are only as good as their warrenties. Big warrenties = little faith and needed. Small warrenties = lost of faith and trust.

Neither set is alwasy true, but a "starting" benchmark.

Saturns rule, but a Geo Metro will get the panties to FLY off.

MATCHBX · 07-17-2005

Honda's need minimal maintainence to continue to run for a long time. Saturn's require a little more strict maintenance schedule (but not much more) to keep them running for a long time. Like AJ said, it depends on how they are taken care of and driven.

I would say a majority of Honda's would last longer than the same amount of Saturns. Just look at my old CRX. 230,000 miles (150,000 of which I put on, none were easy ones either) and mine finally lost it's rings in one of it's cylinders. It still runs, but I read compression on the oil pressure guage. And there's more gas in the oilpan than oil.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 07-17-2005

I have had both. The interior of the Saturn fell apart before 90,000 miles, but the motor is still going. The CRX I had had quite a few problems and eventually ended up with a cracked cylinder. Honda's are normally very reliable when kept stock, a lot of them are setup in the most very basic ways, so there is less to go wrong in the first place. Modded they can have their problems also.

**Kracka** · 07-17-2005

On average, I see Saturns having more problems than Hondas. Like anything else though, neither will be reliable unless maintained. You also must keep in mind that when buying a Honda you pay a premium for the name alone since they have such a good reputation whereas you can get a comparable Saturn for 2/3 the price. Unfortunately, Saturn is becoming more and more absorbed into the regular GM lineup every year (this is a bad thing since they are no longer different which is how they came up so quickly and made a name for themselves).

**JET** · 07-18-2005

According to JD Powers a Hyundai is actually #1 this year. My how things change!

Swifty1638 · 07-18-2005

..well, working at saturn, I can say that they are better then people give them credit for. If you need a cheaper, reliable source of transportation, then saturn is a great choice. true, it's no lexus, but they hold their own..they are also more gm then ever before..the cobalt? it's a copy of the ion..the saturn relay..chevy copied the same thing, and badged it as their own..perhaps this was usiing saturn to release the vehicle to see the public's reaction before chevy releases their versions, but meh. We are gettin all hyped up over the new convertable-"sky". I can't wait..anyway, I owned both a honda and saturn..they both have their problems. I never kept the car's long enough to face issues though...i went straight to a dsm.

-A. Swift

tpunx99GSX · 07-18-2005

I would say get a saturn, then after you got it i would definatly question your sexuality.

Swifty1638 · 07-18-2005

sorry, but that's offensive. Just cause you drive a saturn doesn't mean you are gay at all. Whomever decided that saturns are the "gay" vehicle of choice..needs to be hung by his balls and shot. I see more homo's driving honda civics these days then any other vehicle..or sunfires. Nothing is wrong with gays, and nothing is wrong with saturns..I'd appreciate the comments kept clean. please. I may not agree with being gay, but I also don't slam it..I respect it. I would hope that you do the same.

-A. Swift

**JET** · 07-18-2005

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Originally Posted by Swifty1638

I may not agree with being gay, but I also don't slam it..I respect it. I would hope that you do the same.

-A. Swift

You haven't been around here long, have you Swifty? :P I don't think there is anything sacred around here that can't be made fun of!

That damn Nissan Sentra we have has been through hell and it still runs great. Toyota's are damn good too. I wouldn't put saturn at the head of the pack though, I would say they are above most american brands, but below most of the jap cars.

TheBlizzard · 07-18-2005

Ummm I think the gay vehicle of choice would have to be the Mercury Cougar, or if you see a guy driving a Grand Am and he actually owns it. Saturns are for bi-sexual chics in my book. And there is nothing wrong with a chic that swings both ways.

Swifty, don't be a little bitch. I think you have been in a car with guys so much these days you might be questioning your sexuality. Tom self admits hes gay so that should give him the right to talk down about it. Because he is only insulting himself.

I would definetly take the Honda though over a Saturn, parts for Hondas are cheaper and they seem like they would be easier to work on.

Swifty1638 · 07-18-2005

..yea, perhaps you are right. I should go pull the wrench outta my ass, and settle down. I have been antsy the last few days, but I leave to go to a cabin with 4 girls tonight, and only 1 other guy, who's datin one of them..that leaves 3 for me. So, It's all good.

Saturns are rather easy as fuck to work on. For example there are only 4 bolts that hold the subframe on the 3.0l and 3.5l motors. The 2.2 ecotecs are getting easier and easier to work on as I get more used to them. And the 1.9l are easier then shit. I can tear the motor apart in 15 minutes..not too bad (this with it being outta the car). The 3.0l motor's I'd hafta say are the biggest bitch to work on..I hate them.

-A. Swift

DSMPARTSGURU · 07-18-2005

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

I would say get a saturn, then after you got it i would definatly question your sexuality.

really??? I bought a 03 saturn wagon....

so am i questionable? if so let me know... we can discuss it sometime..

slowbubblecar · 07-18-2005

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Originally Posted by Swifty1638

I see more homo's driving honda civics these days then any other vehicle..or sunfires.

You see homos???

I am not looking for a car, I just want to see what kinds of cars people think are reliable.

xluciusx · 07-18-2005

I'll add a couple comments to this discussion:

My first car was a saturn, first year they made the crappy sl1, and by crappy I mean to this day with 260k miles and after being in two front end accidents it still runs and gets about 30 mpg. Thats reliability for ya.

Also, dsmstyle you mentioned something about warranties that I would like to point out is completely backasswards, if I understood you correctly. A company will not give out a warrantly on a shitty product, thats just bad business. If you are giving out really long warranties to shitty products you would over the life of the warranty be at a net loss on the product. And the people who run mega corporations aren't stupid, which is why they wont do that. Big long warranties generally mean better products.

**JET** · 07-18-2005

Then why does Mitsu have a 10 year warranty and Mercedes is a 3 year? Are you saying Mitsu has better reliability than a Mercedes? The warranty is mainly a marketing ploy. Mitsu is hurting so you put a big warranty in there and worry about the extra costs later. New car companies usually run a big warranty to try and get people to try them and give an aura of quality since they have this big warranty.

Steeltwo · 07-18-2005

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Originally Posted by Swifty1638

.The 3.0l motor's I'd hafta say are the biggest bitch to work on..I hate them.

-A. Swift

didn't they stop using them?

**Kracka** · 07-18-2005

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Originally Posted by xluciusx

Also, dsmstyle you mentioned something about warranties that I would like to point out is completely backasswards, if I understood you correctly. A company will not give out a warrantly on a shitty product, thats just bad business. If you are giving out really long warranties to shitty products you would over the life of the warranty be at a net loss on the product. And the people who run mega corporations aren't stupid, which is why they wont do that. Big long warranties generally mean better products.

Mitsu and Kia both with 10 year warranties, your point has just been disproved...twice. Then their is Chrysler with their 7/70 powertrain warranty when they are notorious for the weakest auto trannies in the business.

xluciusx · 07-18-2005

Take a business class its all a formula about sales vs cost plus the predicted marketing affect.

just because dsms suck doesnt mean all mitsu suck. but also you can look at the fact that i said a good business wont warranty something thats going to break, and as we have seen recently mitsu is not very good at the whole making money part of business.

there is a lot more that goes into it than oh kia has a 10 year warranty that means they think their product is going to break. mercedes has a 3 year so they are saying you will never have to fix it. kia is a brand new company and everyone thinks they suck so they are saying we will prove our product is good by paying for any repairs. In the case of Mercedes they have been around for, what a hundred years and people practically worship there cars, so they are saying, we don't care people will buy our cars no matter what and we will make a 50% profit on each car.

Here is another one for you guys. cadillac says you WILL NOT have to change the oil in your XLR the first year you own it. By what you are saying this means that cadillac must have something really wrong with the XLR.

TheBlizzard · 07-18-2005

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Originally Posted by xluciusx

Take a business class its all a formula about sales vs cost plus the predicted marketing affect.

Oh fuck! A business class? I believe you now. I have to go to bed before I fucking shoot myself.