Cannot Get Into Gear - Page 2

john · 08-24-2004

The car is my 92 talon AWD and the tranny came out of a 91 talon AWD. I had to unbolt part of the shifter linkage (where the cables connect to the tranny) to get the scattershield over it. I put it back on and it looks fine.

Pushit2.0 · 08-24-2004

If you can get it into all the gears with out the car running, there is NO problem with disengagment. Its possable somthing got messed up putting it together.

~John
sorry I messed up typing that.

john · 08-26-2004

Does that mean I have to take the tranny off again? :rant: :fworld: Are you 100% sure on this?

Enes · 08-26-2004

check with Carl he bought my 91 trany and suposedly linkage on 91 and 92 are different.. he re-drilled a hole on the linkage and he was fine after that. or he could of just used a 91 cables i think.. suposedly somethigns different with the cables or lenghth on top of the trany where the cables connect to.

if you look at the two arms that two cables conect (on the trany side), the lenghth of them is different.

-E

chengsta · 08-26-2004

i had the same problem when i changed my tranny and it wouldn't go into gears.... here is the problem i found with mine, it could be whats wrong with yours.. hope this helps.......

http://mycgiserver.com/~chengstaz/problem.doc

john · 08-26-2004

Enes is on to something. Here is a pic of the two linkages. The 91 lincage is longer than the 92. I swapped that and it still doesn't work. I PMed carltalon to see what he had to drill. Thanks a lot Enes. Hopefull I can get it running without pulling it off again.

carltalon · 08-26-2004

I hade to drill a new mounting hole in the other linkage to shorten the throw. check the stationary mount where the cables mount to the tranny it was different on mine. good luck

john · 08-26-2004

Ok, I put the car in first gear while it was not running. I pulled the shift cable off the top linkage. The cable extended a about a 1/4" past the linkage. I had James start the car while the tranny was in gear. While his foot was still on the clutch, the car started moving foreward. Does that mean that the clutch is not adjusted correctly? I have the clutch safety switch off, I am guessing that the clutch is hitting the floor before the petal engages the clutch.

john · 08-26-2004

Quote:

Originally posted by carltalon@Aug 26 2004, 10:27 PM
I hade to drill a new mounting hole in the other linkage to shorten the throw. check the stationary mount where the cables mount to the tranny it was different on mine. good luck

Looks like you had the same problem as chengsta had. Mine are both parallel though. Seems as if the linkage is too long though. Maybe the car would not want to go into gear as the clutch was not engaging all the way. Does this sound like it could be my problem?

Pushit2.0 · 08-26-2004

"The shifter linkage, shifter base, and shift levers on the tranny vary with years, you need to know how to make them work with each other if there from differnt years."

I guess no one reads what I say, also fwd and awd might be different. With it in 1st gear with the clutch pedal to the floor, and the car moves when you start it there is a dissengagment problem, ither master or slave cylenders or somthing got messed up on the install. The cluch fork should almost hit the end of the hole in the bellhousing when the cluch pedal is put to the floor. Also was the tranny taken apart/anything changed from when this tranny worked in another car?

~John

john · 08-26-2004

The tranny was not taken apart, I put a new TOB on it though. I will check the slave agian for movement tomorrow. If I remember correctly, it almost hits the indent in the shifter boot.

Pushit2.0 · 08-26-2004

It should move more than that.

~John

john · 08-28-2004

OK, I compared the throw of the rod on my AWD talon and my FWD laser. When the clutch is pressed, the slave pushes the rod 1 inch on the laser. The talon only pushes it just under 3/4 of an inch. Do AWD and FWD have the same hydrolic components?

How do I fix this? I didn't touch anything on the hydrolic system until I installed the longer rod. Now everythings fucked up. The rod is out, the clutch doesn't feel as spongy, and the travel is still off. I bled the clutch a few times. There is no air in the lines. Please help ASAP, I want to go to RF tomorrow.

john · 08-28-2004

Ok, I adjusted the clutch pedal and I can get into gear now. The pedal is right on the floor though. I pretty much have to kick the firewall to get it engaged. I will try adjusting it furthur. I don't have much room to go before it is all the way out.

A//// Guy · 08-28-2004

pedal assenbly might be dead then (worn out) Adjust it all the way out and if your using the 1/4 longer shaft you should me more than fine unless your assembly is worn out.

illz · 08-28-2004

did you flush, bleed, and adjust the clutch??

john · 08-28-2004

I bled the clutch (fluid wasn't that dirty), adjusted the clutch, and threw in the longer rod again. The petal releases very early but seems fine. The tranny doesn't seem to like 4th gear though. Seems as if the synchro is on its way. It is not half as annoying as 2nd gear was. The car seems to be making a new rattling noise. Maybe something with the TOB. The noise seems to happen while and after a slow turn alot.

While tuning, I ran into a couple of more problems. After a hard pul through a couple of gears, it spits out a lot of blue smoke after I let off. It doesn't smoke at all while in the gear or shifting. Just when I get off it. The car has a new HG and valve seals so they shouldn't be a issue as I was only at ~20psi. While in between runs, my radiator fan decided to take a shit on itself and the car overheated. This happened on the freeway somehow... The coolant was boiling and was forced out the overflow bottle. The car was making a sound similar to what it was when I broke my crank pulley before... I will not make it to the track tomorrow.

carltalon · 08-28-2004

damn I wanted to see that thing run

A//// Guy · 09-08-2004

So John I am having the same problem you were having with the pedal on the floor and there being about 2" of freeplay before there is any pressure. I can get the clutch to fully disengage but it is right on the floor worse than it used to be.

I just replaced the master and slave cylinders, put in the 1/4" longer rod in the slave and the pedal adjustment is all the way out (I mean all the way there are no more threads!).

I am stuck. I bled the slave and did the master too but nothing makes it better. I think either my pedal assembly is junk or something else is wrong (air in the system even after bleeds??)

It feels exactly like it did before I replaced both cylinders and --- I pushed it the clutch in to get out of gear on the way to the cookout and it felt sloppy and freeplay maybe gained 1 inch. So something happened as I pushed it in that day 3 weeks ago.

Im stuck?? Any suggestions?

A//// Guy · 09-09-2004

No body has any suggestions? Im about to go mess around with it some more but I need some help.