Confederate flag, yes or no?

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Right. I remember how all of those other organizations fought for slavery. lol

So you're saying it's ok to be race based as long as you're not promoting slavery,... really, that's what you're gonna go with?

And while you're checking up on your history lesson, look into how many of the slave owners were black. And not all blacks were slaves.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

So you're saying it's ok to be race based as long as you're not promoting slavery,... really, that's what you're gonna go with?

And while you're checking up on your history lesson, look into how many of the slave owners were black. And not all blacks were slaves.

What does it matter if there were black slave owners and that not all blacks were slaves? Whites have always been the majority in this country. There is a history in this country of some of the majority treating minorities as subhuman and unequal. In a majority rules kind of society, it's bound to happen. None of the race based groups you are mentioning except the Black Panthers are based any premise of marginalizing anyone else to achieve their goals.

You'll get to have your white race group whenever the white race starts to get treated as a minority.

[1ViciousGSX]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

What does it matter if there were black slave owners and that not all blacks were slaves? Whites have always been the majority in this country. There is a history in this country of some of the majority treating minorities as subhuman and unequal. In a majority rules kind of society, it's bound to happen. None of the race based groups you are mentioning except the Black Panthers are based any premise of marginalizing anyone else to achieve their goals.

You'll get to have your white race group whenever the white race starts to get treated as a minority.

Makes no sense at all ^^^ ,........ And you are right when you say "history" because for the past FIVE (5) decades everybody has had the same access to an education, medical care, etc. and then some. Those who apply themselves have always succeeded, black, white, brown, doesn't matter.

Do you not realize that by just having most of those groups makes blacks out to be unequal and unable to stand on their own? Keep making minorities out to be victims and they'll never get ahead. And maybe that's the point in all of it,......

You want everybody treated equal, stop playing favorites based on race. Racism knows no color restrictions. Blacks can be, and are in most cases, more racist than whites because many have been taught at home, church, school that all white people are evil which is just not the case.

[jeremy1375]

Anyone can be racist, I understand that.

Statistically, blacks are much poorer than whites in this country and the gap widens. If you believe all men are created equal as our founding fathers did, what is your explanation for that?

[SlowWhite]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Anyone can be racist, I understand that.

Statistically, blacks are much poorer than whites in this country and the gap widens. If you believe all men are created equal as our founding fathers did, what is your explanation for that?

This doesnt apply to all but most and this isnt blacks only around here whites in my option are more fucked up then the rest - poor parenting(this is key), poor role models, lack of discipline, lack of respect for everything(generalizing) especially laws, lack of effort, cry babies thinking they deserve handouts, and the biggest one of all a government that treats them as infants, by basically providing every need for free.

In my state you actually get paid more collecting unemployment then you do minimim wage. on average here the person collecting unemployment and medicare is equipment to a person making $16/hr.

You get free food, free housing(includes electric/gas), free medical, free cell phones, free education (2yrs free tech college classes) Gas money, just off the top of my head.

We did a layoff a few years back and moved our business to Mexico where I was flown down for a month to teach them how to do my job.
We had the option to get moved into other departments and 50% of the employees here took the layoff, when i asked people why , response was they got paid more doing so and a lot wantes to go back to school for free. And the sad part is they actually teach people the loop holes here so that they can live off the government.
Most churches here offer classes to there congregation

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Anyone can be racist, I understand that.

Statistically, blacks are much poorer than whites in this country and the gap widens. If you believe all men are created equal as our founding fathers did, what is your explanation for that?

Statistically, blacks are much poorer than whites because of their upbringing. Put anyone in a situation where survival is greater than education.

All men and women (you forgot those X chromosomes) are created equal. We all come out the same way.

These young minds are influenced by their parents, their society, etc. Like I said, remove the influence from parents and those higher up the family tree... All this stupid shit goes away.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by polishmafia

Statistically, blacks are much poorer than whites because of their upbringing. Put anyone in a situation where survival is greater than education.

All men and women (you forgot those X chromosomes) are created equal. We all come out the same way.

These young minds are influenced by their parents, their society, etc. Like I said, remove the influence from parents and those higher up the family tree... All this stupid shit goes away.

Whites put blacks at a disadvantage - Through centuries of discrimination. Generational wealth doesn't exist for blacks like it does for whites. A person is much more likely to complete a college degree if their parents did. If parents aren't very well educated, their kids are likely to follow in their paths.

How do you remove the influence from the parents? Like I mentioned above. We are products of our history.

I believe doing things like removing the Confederate flag send at least some small message to blacks who feel like whites are keeping them down - that things that concern them matter.

[SlowWhite]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Whites put blacks at a disadvantage - Through centuries of discrimination. Generational wealth doesn't exist for blacks like it does for whites. A person is much more likely to complete a college degree if their parents did. If parents aren't very well educated, their kids are likely to follow in their paths.

How do you remove the influence from the parents? Like I mentioned above. We are products of our history.

I believe doing things like removing the Confederate flag send at least some small message to blacks who feel like whites are keeping them down - that things that concern them matter.

There is no reason anyone cant change there lives. It is the person themselves that have to do something about it. It has nothing to do about generations.
And I will use my own family as an example.
My father grew up in Kansas in a 1 room house. Made of wood scraps collected from sruff laying around.
He decided he never wanted to live this way ever again. And put all his effort into school in a place where school was 2ndary to farming. He graduated from MIT. And went to work for NASA, was a programmer for IBM for a while, when he retired he had saved just over 3 million dollars. And it only took 1 generation to change. Problem is most people are to selfish as parents to sacrifice there lives for the betterment of there family. Used to be everyone did this. But anymore

There is no reason anyone cant do anything , they just have to apply themselves.

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by jeremy1375

Whites have always been the majority in this country.

Not anymore. Maybe the majority though history, but I'm alive now. I don't have any control over any ancestors, or yours, or anyone elses. If I even dare call myself "white", I get shit on. Fuck you political correctness and equal opportunity.

I am pretty certain that if all ethnic groups would just stop bringing up history and racism to our children, stop drawing these stupid lines, they could live in a world where no racism exists. But thanks to the KKK, NAACP, Black Panthers, all of the other "my race is the best and worst because of *", that isn't a world we live in.

[jeremy1375]

Originally Posted by polishmafia

Not anymore. Maybe the majority though history, but I'm alive now. I don't have any control over any ancestors, or yours, or anyone elses. If I even dare call myself "white", I get shit on. Fuck you political correctness and equal opportunity.

I am pretty certain that if all ethnic groups would just stop bringing up history and racism to our children, stop drawing these stupid lines, they could live in a world where no racism exists. But thanks to the KKK, NAACP, Black Panthers, all of the other "my race is the best and worst because of *", that isn't a world we live in.

The thing is, we are born into our place in the world BECAUSE of history. Because of our ancestors who worked through the industrial revolution, we live in a world with automobile, skyscrapers, the internet, and all other kinds of amazing shit.

The bad comes with the good. We reap the rewards for our ancestors hard work and innovations, but we must also pay the price for their fuck ups. I can't see how things could be any other way. Racism doesn't just go away. It's learned through the generations. It will hopefully be unlearned through generations, nothing happens overnight.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States

White Americans are the racial majority, with a 77.7% share of the U.S. population. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.1% of the population, making up the largest minority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.2% of the population.