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**1ViciousGSX** · 04-15-2010

Tom, while I understand your thoughts on this, we've got to stop penalizing good people, just because of the bad people. This is getting ridiculous.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have a criminal record, you should be forced by law to give up your rights to guns, period. If you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you should get a life sentence without the possibility of parole. If you have a criminal record and are then convicted of a crime while in possession of a gun, your ass should just be taken out back and shot!!! End of story. This "but the criminal is really the victim here" crap has got to stop!!!

tpunx99GSX · 04-15-2010

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

Tom, while I understand your thoughts on this, we've got to stop penalizing good people, just because of the bad people. This is getting ridiculous.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have a criminal record, you should be forced by law to give up your rights to guns, period. If you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you should get a life sentence without the possibility of parole. If you have a criminal record and are then convicted of a crime while in possession of a gun, your ass should just be taken out back and shot!!! End of story. This "but the criminal is really the victim here" crap has got to stop!!!

I totally agree with you vicious, but there are a couple problems with your statements:
1. Criminals that have guns are usually not registered weapons, at least not registered to themselves.
2. Banning guns or any arms is against the same right to bear arms as you are fighting to protect. And where do you draw the line where someone is exempt from the constitution. And if someone is exempt from this one amendment, then when will the gov start banning freedom of speech etc.
The constitution that you all are so gung ho at protecting, is the same constitution that you are now saying should not apply to some citizens.
When regulations are put in place for all guns, its so that the constitution stays in tact, "All men are created equal..." means all men, it wasnt stated "All men (except for people who have commited a crime) are created equal"

**1ViciousGSX** · 04-15-2010

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

I totally agree with you vicious, but there are a couple problems with your statements:
1. Criminals that have guns are usually not registered weapons, at least not registered to themselves.
2. Banning guns or any arms is against the same right to bear arms as you are fighting to protect. And where do you draw the line where someone is exempt from the constitution. And if someone is exempt from this one amendment, then when will the gov start banning freedom of speech etc.
The constitution that you all are so gung ho at protecting, is the same constitution that you are now saying should not apply to some citizens.
When regulations are put in place for all guns, its so that the constitution stays in tact, "All men are created equal..." means all men, it wasnt stated "All men (except for people who have commited a crime) are created equal"

Tom, I'll make it easy for you to understand:

If you are a law abiding citizen, you deserve every right guaranteed to you by The Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

As soon as you cross that line, you should be stripped of that privilege. And I'm not talking about jay walking or throwing trash on the highway, I'm talking about a crime against another human being.

**Halon** · 04-15-2010

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Originally Posted by 1ViciousGSX

we've got to stop penalizing good people, just because of the bad people. This is getting ridiculous.

Quoting FTMFT

But wait wait... Weren't you just all about punishing an entire culture by disallowing them to join the military, based on the actions of just "the bad people"?

**1ViciousGSX** · 04-15-2010

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Originally Posted by Halon

Quoting FTMFT

But wait wait... Weren't you just all about punishing an entire culture by disallowing them to join the military, based on the actions of just "the bad people"?

Yes

good people = law abiding citizens
bad people = brain washed suicidal terrorist and criminals

Take it how ever you like it.

**Halon** · 04-15-2010

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Yes

good people = law abiding citizens
bad people = brain washed suicidal terrorist and criminals

Take it how ever you like it.

Exactly.

A couple months ago you said punish a culture/religion (both those good and bad), based on the actions of the bad extremists.

Now you say enough is enough, don't punish the good people based on the actions of the few bad ones.

I'm confused, but that's not all that abnormal.

**1ViciousGSX** · 04-16-2010

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Originally Posted by Halon

Exactly.

A couple months ago you said punish a culture/religion (both those good and bad), based on the actions of the bad extremists.

Now you say enough is enough, don't punish the good people based on the actions of the few bad ones.

I'm confused, but that's not all that abnormal.

Yes you are confused and yes I still don't think we should let extremist Muslims in our military while we are fighting a war with extremist Muslims.

**Halon** · 04-16-2010

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Yes you are confused and yes I still don't think we should let extremist Muslims in our military while we are fighting a war with extremist Muslims.

You were on the bandwagon of saying to disallow Muslims in the military, based on the actions of the extremists. Pot meet kettle.

**1ViciousGSX** · 04-16-2010

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You were on the bandwagon of saying to disallow Muslims in the military, based on the actions of the extremists. Pot meet kettle.

Still on that band wagon, don't plan on getting off it either. Expecting Muslims to go and fight a "holy" war against other Muslims and not have conflicts of interest gets you what happened at that military base. Doesn't even compare to the subject at hand.