This will definetly help our economy

[Febo]

No taxes for 8-9 months would destroy the governments income. Then how do we pay for roads, military, education, federally backed hospitals, federally backed banks, DNR, Police forces, ect, ect, ect.....

Oh and lets not forget all the federal employees who would then become jobless, wow, theres like another million jobs out the door. Oh and those of us dependent on unemployment right now, yeah, we would be screwed, then there would be an even worse recession

The only way the government could make money without taxation would be to control a resource this country has, say grain, or steel, ect, and that would be *GASP* SOCIALISM!!!! DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!!!!!

So yeah, your problem solving skills leave alot to be desired.

[Dundars]

California (Total Liberal State) has doubled their debt, is about to go bankrup and they spend over 5 BILLION dollars a year on illegal aliens. A lot of which get free health care.

Guess who is about to bail them out? That is right the tax payers, I mean the government is going to give California the Tax Payers money...

[Dundars]

RLFebo, I am done trying to make sense of you. You liberals are impossible to reason with, you want biparticsm yet won't ever meet in the middle.

When this Spendulus doesn't do jack for the economy and a year passes and you can't point the finger at Bush anymore, I'm going to enjoy pointing the finger back at the liberals.

Why play the pointing finger game? It's so easy to keep pointing fingers for both sides. It's his country and his economy now, he better hope this works or he is one term only. (Thank goodness)

[Febo]

Im more than willing to reason with the reasonable. But your solutions are just assnine. Seriously, stop taxes? You have no scope or grasp on how dependant this country is on taxes. It always has been. You want middle ground. Give the government the grain industry and you can have your lower taxes. Or is that socialism? Also I enjoy facts. Facts speak louder than your words. Link some sources, or everything you say is heasay.

[Dundars]

Originally Posted by RLFebo

No taxes for 8-9 months would destroy the governments income. Then how do we pay for roads, military, education, federally backed hospitals, federally backed banks, DNR, Police forces, ect, ect, ect.....

Oh and lets not forget all the federal employees who would then become jobless, wow, theres like another million jobs out the door. Oh and those of us dependent on unemployment right now, yeah, we would be screwed, then there would be an even worse recession

The only way the government could make money without taxation would be to control a resource this country has, say grain, or steel, ect, and that would be *GASP* SOCIALISM!!!! DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!!!!!

So yeah, your problem solving skills leave alot to be desired.

I only read half of that and didn't even waiste my time reading the other half. Your arguements have been total horse shit and I'm done waisting my time with you.

I think the media might have just built Barak Obama up too much that no matter how bad he does he can't fail. Blood is squirting from my eyes.

[Febo]

Typical conservative, only read half of what is said.

[Dundars]

If you watched the news ever, and yes I watch all the stations, I wouldn't need to link any of my sources you would just know.

I'm not the first person to propose no taxes for half a year to a year. Many congressman brought up the idea as well, you are so wrong to say that we wouldn't be able to go on without taxes for the next 8 months.

[Dundars]

Originally Posted by RLFebo

Typical conservative, only read half of what is said.

Ive read everything else you said until that, your defenses are a waiste of my time man. Liberals always want the last word and never stop talking about how right they are.

[Febo]

Btw, Ive tried several searches for this zero taxes thing and the only thing I found close was dropping the %10 tax bracket to %0. This is a drastically different plan than zero taxes for all for a year. So yeah, if you got a link im interested in reading it.

Btw, here is what I found:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont..._1n19econ.html

[Dundars]

[1 Minute Ago 06:37 PM] RLFebo: See the problem is, I dont really care if we go socialist. If it gets me a job and good pay, then bring it on. I dont care.

Show me where socialsm has ever worked? You are a typical person just looking for free hand outs from the government, probably collecting welfare and umeployment checks.

Who is going to police the world when we aren't a super power anymore, Iran is only a few years away from having a nuke, but I guess they are just launching it straight at Israel as soon as they get their hands on it so that won't effect us... Wait yes it will, drag us into another war.

[Dundars]

If you are unemployed like me, why don't you make something from nothing and do something positive like join the Marines.

I know I am, Obama is sending out 17k Marines soon, man up or shut the fuck up.

[Febo]

Yeah, I think I already shut you down in the SB.

So just for the record,

I WAS A MARINE!
I got medically seperated. Not my effin choice. Now I deal with it.

[Dundars]

You tried accussing me of having a job, then it was me mooching off my parents, wait which one is it and when did you shut me down?

I made sacrafices to make sure not to need government help, like selling my built talon for dirt, getting rid of TV, Internet, and car insurance.

I either take the bus or walk everywhere. I'm at a buddies house right now, that is how I've ate the last few days and had internet.

You don't hear me whining though, just me bitching about the people bitching who really don't even have it bad. Americans only seem to worry about them selves lately.

I bet not many on this board can say they have gone two days without eating. I know I can, and it was within the last month.

[Febo]

And like I said, you still have your pride at least I guess. Guess you are the better man then me, because I would rather file for something that has been paid for already by companies for people like me, and keep the few possessions I have, and stay fed, and keep my car so that when Im back in the working game Im not starting over. If it comes down to it then I will slowly cut back on my life.

There is a thin line between pride and foolishness. But since your joining the military anyways, you dont need that crap.

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pewp

[Febo]

And that about sums it all up.

[1QUICK4]

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I laugh every time I see this picture.

[awd-drifter]

^^^lol!

[hellomynameis]

Originally Posted by joesushi

After 8 years of good old "conservation" (lol), we have a new deficit of over 10 trillion dollars. Doing the basic math that is double the deficit in 2000.

Originally Posted by Dundars

You could spend a MILLION dollars a DAY for 2000 YEARS and it still wouldn't equal to what this bill is going to cost. I feel deeply deeply sorry for my kids and their kids.

With the interest it will be about 1.3 Trillion dollars,

My grandparents left us with a 120% debt to GDP ratio back in 1946. Today, that percentage is sitting closer to 70%. We didn't remove that 50% by paying down the debt, instead we increased our GDP aka we GREW our economy. So long as we have policies that aim to continue to grow our economy our debt, expressed in real dollars, will most likely continue to grow. However so long as we grow our economy at the same or faster pace who cares? Our interest on our debt consumes a smaller portion of our tax receipts today than it did a decade ago. That's what's important. It might be easy to say that our debt level is twice the 2000 level today, but it's not fair to 'forget' to mention that our GDP level is also growing. (sorry, I don't have prepared data that is more recent, dig through the treasury statements if you want more current figures.)

http://boomerang.blogs.com/.shared/i...debt080415.png

http://boomerang.blogs.com/.shared/i...atch080415.png

Yes, the debt is moving up, and right now that pace is barely outstripping our GDP's growth. However we should be focusing on fiscal policy to manage that debt ratio by doing what we can to grow our economy. Don't read that and think I agree with the stimulus plan as it was passed...I don't. However making sure people have jobs and growth opportunities is important and if it can do that, then great.

Originally Posted by Dundars

[...]not to mention inflation is going to go through the roof since we can't borrow the money from anyone so we will just have to print it our selves [sic].

Except that right now the fed is trying to pump as much money into the system to prevent deflation. You have to remember that to increase the money supply (prevent deflation), the fed buys financial assets with this money from thin air. They are doing this now. The trick is being able to sell those financial assets back out to reclaim money and prevent inflation. This is the piece that everyone seems to ignore. We have the potential for (hyper-)inflation if we can't control the money supply well enough on the upswing.

Originally Posted by Dundars

Democrats response to if they read the bill or not was, "Well I had my staff look over it for me and report back." Who the hell did we vote for, them or their "staff"?

Don't delude yourself, this is how it works. I'd be surprised if anyone read any bill all the way through. Excluding ones they write themselves, of course. That's why they have a staff, to have those people do the reading late into the night and have them report back a condensed version. This isn't unique to the government. Even low level team leads and supervisors have to do the same thing with their staff in order to make decisions.

Originally Posted by RLFebo

People losing their jobs are losing them because the CEO's of their companies would rather keep their 400k a year salary, then be a man, and drop a 100k a year off their income and save 30 jobs. Its retarded.

I guess I just don’t understand you extreme conservatives. Hell I just don’t [sic] understand people in general anymore. I guess if your happy watching the rich get richer while you stay the same or get poorer then I guess [sic] Im [sic] the backwards one. Here I thought the american [sic] dream was to watch the rich get richer, and then catch up to the bastards and take their money in a coporate [sic] takeover.

So, if this hypothetical CEO did what you are suggesting, would you take the $3,333.33 per year job? What if that job is no longer needed due to new efficiencies? Should we continue to pay people to do jobs that are no longer needed? If you had your facts right, you'd realize that there are more high-wage earners now than there ever were. So, is it bad to have the rich get richer and have more rich people? Last time I checked most people want to make more money next year than they do this year....



Fact is, both conservatives and democrats have made a ton of mistakes and both sides use deficit scare tactics. The point of my post is to urge you all to try and understand the facts and what they mean

From my favourite economist: Our economic record clearly demonstrates that you will get more than your so-called fair share of the nation's economic growth if you get an education, keep educating yourself, work full time, work all year, and stay married -- regardless whether you're rich, middle class, or poor.

[john]

No taxes for a most of a year???? What a stupid idea. Just because people have more income doesn't mean that they are going to spend it. Obviously the "no tax" would benefit the wealthy more than any other and they currently have money to spend. How would we pay our government workers if the government went without income????

It is always easy to sit here on the sidelines and criticise the people making the decisions but what would you do to fix this? This is not an easy problem to fix but one thing is for sure, Obama is in a lot better position than any of us to make the decision.

Personally, I am fine trusting a group of well educated people to make the decision for me.

Dundars, if you had the huge stimulus plan come across your desk, would you sit down with a cup of coffee and read it?