Obama's going to make us put our catalytic converters back in... - Page 4

1QUICK4 · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by RLFebo

The job isnt over yet, and bush jr is out of office. Another failed bush.

I was stating that he suceeded in regiem change where the others have failed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Febo · 01-27-2009

yeah finding a guy in a hole is a hard job.

A//// Guy · 01-27-2009

We still havent found Osama... Seems pretty tough. Again, Clinton could have fixed that problem but failed.

Febo · 01-27-2009

because we have all our focus in Iraq. Yet another reason we need to pull out and reallocate forces to the right area of the war.

mdost03 · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by RLFebo

Also, we should of left Saddam, he was the only one that could control that bat shit crazy region. Being able to strike fear of god into people who don't even care about life is an amazing feat. We will never be able to achieve that stability, because we wont kill an entire family just to punish one man. The only other force that could potentially do that is if we were to let Israel off its leash to just pummel the fuck out of the region. They are the only other ones that effin nuts.

So what you are trying to say is you would rather have had saddam live so he could kill innocent people than keep gitmo open holding terrorists/pow's/etc. to prevent killing of innocent people?

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Originally Posted by RLFebo

And it is that in between state that unfortunately isnt sitting well with the world at large. We need all the support we can get if we really wanna fight a war against global terrorism. Instead we are pissing into the wind.

Funny, I don't remember another terrorist attack on US soil after 9/11. Pissing in the wind huh?

**goodhart** · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by RLFebo

because we have all our focus in Iraq. Yet another reason we need to pull out and reallocate forces to the right area of the war.

Pull out now and flush all of our progress down the toilet? This thing will be done soon enough, we need to finish the job in Iraq before moving the main focus to Afghanistan.

Febo · 01-27-2009

Yeah, I am saying we should of left Saddam in power. He was crazy, just like that region. He commited alot of horible things, but look at what has happened once that has gone away. A huge power vacuum that even the US military cant help fill. We patrol streets daily, and do our job, and they still IED us. We try to find them but they hide and still IED us. Saddam didnt have that problem, because he would kill the terrorist, then the terrorists friends and family. Kind of hard to have someone seek revenge when they are all dead.

Blah, blah, blah, "another attack on US soil" The same thing could of been said the day before 9/11 about the first WTC attack. So whats your point? Besides, why try to attack on US soil, when they can blow plenty of Americans up in Iraq without all the red tape hassle. We are bringing targets to the terrorists. They have it easy over there. So the apparent cost of a safe home is to let our uniformed services die for your relative protection. Yeah, seems fair I guess.....

And Im not saying pull out today, and leave an even bigger power void for tomorrow, but the longer we stay, without significant gain, the longer they get to take their pot shots at us. And also, Afghanistan was the main focus before Iraq. Afghanistan IS the war on terror. We started that war 2 years earlier, directly after 9/11 attacks. Then we SHIFTED focus to Iraq. For what? You talk about fighting terrorists, then why the fuck did we shift away from the hunt for Osama to pursue Saddam?? What sense does it make??

Kevin 1G Drummer · 01-27-2009

W just wanted to finish what his daddy couldn't.

Febo · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by Kevin_1G_Drummer

W just wanted to finish what his daddy couldn't.

If it wasnt for oil, and wasnt for the WMD's then I say THIS had to be the reason. We are slowly narrowing it down.

rich3389 · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by goodhart

Pull out now and flush all of our progress down the toilet? This thing will be done soon enough, we need to finish the job in Iraq before moving the main focus to Afghanistan.

So can anyone explain what EXACTLY we have been doing in the middle east these past years? Nobody seems to have a clear answer and its ridiculous.

**goodhart** · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by RLFebo

And Im not saying pull out today, and leave an even bigger power void for tomorrow, but the longer we stay, without significant gain, the longer they get to take their pot shots at us.

This was back in November:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/wo...raq.html?fta=y

There has been significant gain there also, especially after the "surge" in late 2006/Early 2007.

The reasoning behind the invasion wasn't only to find WMDs which Saddam never had(he admitted that he bluffed in 2006 before his excecution), some of you may forget, he was also harbouring known Al-Qaeda members, which has been proven. The Invasion of Iraq was an ill-advised pre-emptive strike on the belief that Saddam had a combination of these two factors.

**goodhart** · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by rich3389

So can anyone explain what EXACTLY we have been doing in the middle east these past years? Nobody seems to have a clear answer and its ridiculous.

Have you watched any news the past 6 years? We have been building Iraq up so they can stand on their own two feet, giving them a democratic government, a police force, and a military, oh and not to mention all of the infrastructure that we have helped them build. Governments aren't built overnight you know.

Febo · 01-27-2009

Those were the two smartest posts that have been made yet, but I still stand my ground that we invaded Iraq under false pretenses and it is a war that should not have been fought.

“If George Bush’s presidency were going to continue on through 2012, I think people would be a lot more concerned,” said Karim Sadjadpour, a Middle East analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “Having this administration really lightens the blow for the Iranians.”

I think that says alot.

slowbubblecar · 01-27-2009

I thought politics would be over after the election but I guess I was wrong. That must be because the republican canidate lost. Odds are most of the republicans on this site would have voted for Bush again if he was running. After Bush won last time, the political BS ended until this election came. Nobody complained about all of the stuff Bush did. I am sure this site will be filled with Obama slams the rest of the time he is in office.

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Originally Posted by RLFebo

Those were the two smartest posts that have been made yet, but I still stand my ground that we invaded Iraq under false pretenses and it is a war that should not have been fought.

“If George Bush’s presidency were going to continue on through 2012, I think people would be a lot more concerned,” said Karim Sadjadpour, a Middle East analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “Having this administration really lightens the blow for the Iranians.”

I think that says alot.

Febo · 01-27-2009

Why exactly did you quote me? lol

slowbubblecar · 01-27-2009

Just to let you know you will be fighting a continuous battle

**Halon** · 01-27-2009

Doesn't matter who is in office. One side will always just be pissing and moaning about the other. During election, after election, doesn't matter. I personally didn't vote for him, but I still wish him the best and can only ask he does the best to his ability.

But seriouslly, what does any of the last 3 pages have to do with putting our cats back on?

Febo · 01-27-2009

Everything!!! Them Terrorists Are All About It!!!

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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

Just to let you know you will be fighting a continuous battle

Noted.

Scrmegl · 01-27-2009

No study besides media propaganda and political coverings have explained definitively the causes of climate change. Many scientists do not support the theories despite media lies saying there is a majority consensus. If a scientist speaks against it they are bullied and their funding is magically cut. It is just another way for the elites, giant corporations, and global banks to make a lot of money.

The plan to use pollution control and carbon taxes to stimulate the economy is totally manufactured. Sure jobs will be created but no real benefit will come from the addition of cats on a tiny percentage of enthusiasts vehicles.

And on the side discussion of Iraq...oil nor 911 was ever the cause to go to Iraq. Like many other tragedies like 7:7 it was an inside job. Problem, reaction, solution. (AKA How can we use this to further our own agenda's.) Repeated through history over and over.

Febo · 01-27-2009

Another enlightened one. How refreshing. Climate change will happen regardless of what we do. Its a course of nature, nothing else. We were screwed from the beginning. I just hope this one isnt one of those pole to pole ice ages.