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A//// Guy · 01-26-2009

Tom, you do know we are in this recession because CLINTON made it easier for people to get home loans. He thought it was a good idea to let people that couldn't afford homes, to buy them anyway.

And where are all the terrorists in Gitmo going to go? One guy that was released, has already joined Al Queda. Nice.

95talonracer · 01-26-2009

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Originally Posted by M/// Guy

Tom, you do know we are in this recession because CLINTON made it easier for people to get home loans. He thought it was a good idea to let people that couldn't afford homes, to buy them anyway.

And where are all the terrorists in Gitmo going to go? One guy that was released, has already joined Al Queda. Nice.

But dont they deserve U.S. citizens rights, they are people too and where are they supposed to go? They get better treatment then our own in war! WTF

311evo · 01-26-2009

^ Exactly, its retarded, let all the potential terrorists go..

and its not going to be a long 4 years, more like a LONG 8.. Too many people listen to MTV an P-diddy for him to lose..

95talonracer · 01-26-2009

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^ Exactly, its retarded, let all the potential terrorists go..

and its not going to be a long 4 years, more like a LONG 8.. Too many people listen to MTV an P-diddy for him to lose..

Ya I am not going to go any farther but there are reasons people should vote and many had one reason they voted the way they did that didn't have anything to do with views at all.

niterydr · 01-26-2009

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Hes not even been in office for a month and you guys are coming out with statements like this? Wow, you guys are some pessemists.
First off, He started the closing of GitMo and other CIA secret camps. Which was applauded by almost every nation.
He is working toward helping us get out of this mess that was caused by a retarded administration over the past 8 years. Now we can actually start passing items that will benefit our country. The mess we are in was not caused by him, he actually inherited this mess from YES A REPUBLICAN! As opposed to Bush who claims to have inherited 9/11, the first AND second Recession, and every horrible thing that happened while he was in office. Whats next, is he going to say he inherited Katrina? Because obviously the federal responce was great during that tradgedy. Maybe he was too busy celebrating McCains Bday, or the death of many black people. GG NOOB.

What do you propose we do with the prisoners at Gitmo?

I want to hear it from you, not Obama's notebook of plans, his website, or some other left wing media nutswinger. I want to know why YOU think closing Gitmo is a great idea and what we are suppose to do with the 250+ detainees.

I hope with a democratic congress and president things "change", it is a perfect alignment of the stars. I am just glad that in 4 years (or 8) I can look at the mess and say "YOU OWN IT".

**Kracka** · 01-26-2009

It doesn't matter what Obama continues to fuck up, all the liberals will just turn a blind eye and continue blaming Bush for all their problems. This country has some serious issues right now and rather than fix them Obama sits on his BarackBerry worrying about pointless crap that will just bleed even more money from the states/country/companies/taxpayers.

niterydr · 01-26-2009

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Originally Posted by Kracka

It doesn't matter what Obama continues to fuck up, all the liberals will just turn a blind eye and continue blaming Bush for all their problems. This country has some serious issues right now and rather than fix them Obama sits on his BarackBerry worrying about pointless crap that will just bleed even more money from the states/country/companies/taxpayers.

With how lopsided everything is politically the dem's have about 6 more months TOPS of "blame bush" then the finger pointing can start turning.

**Goat Blower** · 01-26-2009

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Originally Posted by 95talonracer

But dont they deserve U.S. citizens rights, they are people too and where are they supposed to go? They get better treatment then our own in war! WTF

Are you kidding? Prisoners of war, especially high-positioned figures in Al Qaeda do not get tried in the American judicial system. They are not US citizens, they are the enemy that planned the deaths of 3000 Americans. This has always been this way for good reason. In most countries on earth, a war prisoner is tortured or killed, here we give them three squares a day and a few drips of water on the face.

Of course the world is happy we're closing Gitmo, especially Al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah, nobody else would really care because it has nothing to do with them. Funny how quickly we forget what happened 7.5 years ago, but I think Biden is right, that will change soon. We're sending the world a message that we'll gladly fall on our sword, and we're ready to lower our defenses. It won't be good.

**Kracka** · 01-26-2009

A very high profile Russian professor is predicting the US will be in civil war by summer 2010 and our government will fall...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

xveganxcowboyx · 01-26-2009

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Originally Posted by scheides

And people wonder why I don't eat meat

Pull that industry back a little and we'd all be in much better shape!

My main reason for not eating meat. The average diet results in the equivalent environmental effect of both driving and powering (electricity, heating, cooling, etc...) of a home combined. A vegan diet is ~1/10 of that. If people wish to escape regulation they will need to step up with the personal responsibility and do something substantial. If people can't, by and large, make effective choices themselves they will be regulated. Personally I'd rather have a choice in the matter.

**Kracka** · 01-26-2009

I like to eat things that taste good.

311evo · 01-26-2009

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I like to eat things that taste good.

x2 lol.

political threads are always heated here.

xveganxcowboyx · 01-26-2009

Me too, but you can't have your cake and eat it too (ummm, no pun intended). If a society cannot regulate itself someone will step up to do it for them. You cannot refuse to do anything yourself, but then whine when someone else does it for you.

As for big environmental choices there are really three main areas you can have a substantial effect. Home: Go all custom super green energy efficient building hippie style. Car: Ditch it for a bike or public transportation or most substantially Diet: Stop eating meat.

Of course someone who likes all of those things may choose to make more moderate changes within all three. Eat less meat, increase efficiency in the home, and drive less or use a fuel efficient vehicle.

95talonracer · 01-26-2009

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Originally Posted by Goat Blower

Are you kidding? Prisoners of war, especially high-positioned figures in Al Qaeda do not get tried in the American judicial system. They are not US citizens, they are the enemy that planned the deaths of 3000 Americans. This has always been this way for good reason. In most countries on earth, a war prisoner is tortured or killed, here we give them three squares a day and a few drips of water on the face.

Of course the world is happy we're closing Gitmo, especially Al Qaeda, Hamas and Hezbollah, nobody else would really care because it has nothing to do with them. Funny how quickly we forget what happened 7.5 years ago, but I think Biden is right, that will change soon. We're sending the world a message that we'll gladly fall on our sword, and we're ready to lower our defenses. It won't be good.

I was being sarcastic.

FattyBoomBatty · 01-26-2009

I didn't read any of this thread except for the beginning lines of the first three posts. I didn't read them because I already know what you facists wrote, "OMG Obama is a socialist, he's going to ruin the country!" Well, let me 'splain why I feel you are wrong. By increasing efficiency standards, CAFE(!!!!, not Obama) will make 'merican car companies more competitive worldwide, where everyone else likes less pollution. I don't know why you guys like pollution so much.

Are you guys really worried that increasing the average fuel economy of the national fleet of automobiles will really affect your sports car? I highly doubt it. Just remember, any changes would only affect the average, and it will not affect your evos or m3s or what have you.

He also won't take away your guns. Being paranoid never helped a conversation.

tpunx99GSX · 01-27-2009

You guys really need to stop listening to those conservative ass holes such as Rush "I like Pills" Limbaugh on public radio. Something like 12 prisoners have actually been tried at gitmo. 12!!!!!!! Are you freakin kidding me? We sit there and torture innocent people into basically telling us lies to stop the torture. Its fucking retarded. Complete waste of money and in the world view makes us look like hitlers germany with the concentration camps. That would have been the next step for bush. refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdi_v._Rumsfeld and you will see.

john · 01-27-2009

I think they should bring back emissions in MN. Most people on here would be paying fines and making required repairs which would help boost our economy

It is also nice sitting behind an old dsm smelling the fumes as they have removed the cat and the valve seals are leaking.

Guess you all can just sit and wait for Palin 2012!

FattyBoomBatty · 01-27-2009

Palin - no thanks. Pretty sure 90% of the people here don't care to hear from that dumbass again.

FattyBoomBatty · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by Kracka

It doesn't matter what Obama continues to fuck up, all the liberals will just turn a blind eye and continue blaming Bush for all their problems. This country has some serious issues right now and rather than fix them Obama sits on his BarackBerry worrying about pointless crap that will just bleed even more money from the states/country/companies/taxpayers.

Not to try and start a new argument, but other than your opinion about how Obama treated the guantanamo bay thing, what do you have as proof that he has done anything wrong so far? You are so sure that he has messed everything up, but he's following through on what he said he would do. That is honorable. Bush couldn't do that; so far Obama is.

And you must not watch a whole lot of news if you think he's on his phone all day. The guy probably gets about 5 hours of sleep a night.

1QUICK4 · 01-27-2009

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Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

As opposed to Bush who claims to have inherited 9/11, the first AND second Recession,

We're still in the 1st recession dude. Obama will do the same thing Bush did, bandaid fixits, Be it stimulis or other measures. all it does is prolong the inevitable. Our economy needs to bottom out.

We need to clone Regan to get us out of this hole