T3 vs. Mitsu housing

jrohner · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo

How much "full boost" at 3500? Maybe 20 psi on a 2.4L and a HX35, but I highly doubt 30 psi by 3500 on a typical 2.0L or any boost level that would make 500awhp. I'd like to see these dyno charts. I think the honda-tech disease is spreading to the dsm world. (I made 600whp on my gt35r and 10 psi and full boost by 2000rpms!)

Then go look for them if you actually care. Look up something before you go slamming it.

If you run a bigger t3 housing it will take over 4 grand to spool on a 2.0. People have said the hx35 starts making boost sooner than a 16g so it's not quite as hard of a hit. It would be lame if it took a 2.4 to build boost by 3500, that would probably be worse than a 50 trim not better.

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by jrohner

Then go look for them if you actually care. Look up something before you go slamming it.

Nope, I don't care. Nor do I care for a HX35 or the bullseye housing for it. It's too small of a turbo anyways.

Saying it gets "full boost" and putting that it makes 500whp in the same sentence makes it sound like if you are gonna run the 30 psi it'll take to make that power, that it'd make it by 3500 is all I'm saying, and we know that's probably not the case like how Honda-tech'ers always forget to say that their boost crept up to 15 psi to make that 500whp.

If you have the opportunity/finances Aaron, get a T3 housing unless you're gonna get some FP housing. Just my opinion.

jrohner · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by At-Least-It's-An-Evo

Nope, I don't care. Nor do I care for a HX35 or it's bullseye housing. It's too small anyways.

...and we know that's probably not the case...

Posting about something you don't care about and don't know about. Always a good combination.

So you're speaking for everyone now. OK.

The poster is interested in the HX35 and 50 trims, yet you're saying an HX35 is too small? For who? This thread was started by "turbotalon1g", why don't you keep it about what he wants. My 16G broke 400 hp so how is a turbo that's rated for 12 lbs/min higher too small?

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by jrohner

Don't post if you don't care and don't know. Read about it so you know what you are talking about. You sound like one who has a huge turbo and doesn't break 400 hp.

So you're speaking for everyone now. OK.

Don't know? Yep, that's just it. All I can say is welcome to 5 years ago.

**JET** · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by jrohner

Posting about something you don't care about and don't know about. Always a good combination.

So you're speaking for everyone now. OK.

Well, he made over 600 whp on his DSM. You are the one that made the statement, you should have the information to back it up. It sounds like you are talking about boost threshold and not full boost. In your research you must have run across a dyno chart to back that up, just post a link to prove your point.

jrohner · 11-05-2008

Making 600 hp doesn't mean he knows about a turbo he doesn't run. I'd like to see his torque and rpm range.

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by jrohner

I swear every thread on here turns into this crap.

What crap, a thread full of false information? Yep. Only if there are people to provide it.

jrohner · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by JET

Well, he made over 600 whp on his DSM. You are the one that made the statement, you should have the information to back it up. It sounds like you are talking about boost threshold and not full boost. In your research you must have run across a dyno chart to back that up, just post a link to prove your point.

I don't see how you can go by a dyno chart to tell you where full boost is. I make full boost by 2800 on my car, a hair over 3000 in 3rd gear, yet the dyno chart shows it at like 3800 and peak torque at 4200, both on the DD and Dynojet. The load is far different on a dyno than the street where it matters. The main chart I've seen on the HX35 had peak torque at 5 grand and made about 500 hp at about 7 grand at 25psi. It doesn't tell you where it makes full boost on the street, you have to go by what people say -- which is what I'm doing. This other guy is just saying 'I don't care what anyone says it's not possible' basically. Have you had one on your car or ridden with someone to really say it's not possible?

Besides, tune means a lot too, I can change my spool 400 rpms easy just using a different timing map. I was making full boost at 3200 and then I changed my timing and now I'm at 27-2800. It doesn't make a big difference what psi I'm running either, rpm is very close to the same.

**JET** · 11-05-2008

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Originally Posted by jrohner

I don't see how you can go by a dyno chart to tell you where full boost is. I make full boost by 2800 on my car, a hair over 3000 in 3rd gear, yet the dyno chart shows it at like 3800 and peak torque at 4200, both on the DD and Dynojet. The load is far different on a dyno than the street where it matters. The main chart I've seen on the HX35 had peak torque at 5 grand and made about 500 hp at about 7 grand at 25psi. It doesn't tell you where it makes full boost on the street, you have to go by what people say -- which is what I'm doing. This other guy is just saying 'I don't care what anyone says it's not possible' basically. Have you had one on your car or ridden with someone to really say it's not possible?

Besides, tune means a lot too, I can change my spool 400 rpms easy just using a different timing map. I was making full boost at 3200 and then I changed my timing and now I'm at 27-2800. It doesn't make a big difference what psi I'm running either, rpm is very close to the same.

Going on heresay is just BS. Yes a dyno spools later than the street, but you can still compare much better than some guys saying I spool mine at XXXX! If the dyno shows one turbo spools 500 rpm sooner than the other one, you will see a very similar difference on the street. That is the significance of the dyno chart. Tune is always going to matter, that is why you don't go off of just 1 dyno chart, but look at several. What gear you are in also makes a big difference.

jrohner · 11-05-2008

More boost doesn't always mean more hp. Some turbo's have less boost at a certain rpm but still give you more hp. Same goes for your setup and tune.

I remember reading an article in a magazine a few years back, I think it was about a galant vr4, where they put on a bigger turbo that made full boost at a higher rpm yet made more torque at that lower amount of boost. If all the air coming out of the turbo went directly into the cylinders, there wouldn't really be any boost pressure.