I just want to take a quick poll...

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by JET

Tom, your last post just shows how ignorant you are and how blind to the facts you are. Have I ever stated that I am voting for McCain? No, I never have. I am more educated than you are Tom and understand more about economics than you ever will. I like you as a person, but you get swayed so easily on political views. I wouldn't have a problem with this except that you go preaching to everyone on here like you actually have a clue what you are talking about. You spread a ton of BS around here and act like you know what you are talking about. Luckily many of the people on here see through your BS. People like you give other liberals a bad name.

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Please do explain your qualifications that make you such an expert.

I Dont buy into the bullshit that McCains campaign spreads. Barak is a hell of a lot more believable then McCain ever will be in my eyes. If he is so confident in his views, then why is he trying to cancel debates, why is he trying to get palin out of the debates. Hes running from a fight like a coward.
All of the items i have talked about are able to be sourced. Just ask and ill source it, if i havent already.

It's not that I am such an expert, just look at the person I was comparing myself to. Here is quote you made: "I make $60k a year, and my gross is $2307 they take out $697.04 leaving me with $1610 per check. I could use that $700 and make that go along way to making me enter that upper class rank. " Now if you think $697 is half of $2307, I rest my case.

You look at the far left side of things and take them as gospel. There are also people that are far right that would do the same thing. Look up the word "biased" in the dictionary once. I am in the middle and am not real happy with either candidate, I was a Ron Paul supporter. McCain seems mediocre, but Barrack just plain scares me.

How can universal healthcare be a good thing? The government sucks are running things (IRS, social security, medicare, etc.). Why the hell do I want my LIFE to be in their control?? Do some research on goverment run healthcare (Canada, Sweden, etc.) and see if you think it works. Everyone can go in at no charge, why not go in for the sniffles? It will choke the system.

How about gun control? Obama is against concealed carry in any state, voted for a 500% tax increase on ammunition and guns while in IL. He is also for banning most guns and allowing gun companies to be sued if their guns are used in a crime. Should Boeing be sued because their jets were used in the 9/11 attacks? That is just stupid.

You talk about McCain being run by lobbyists. How do you fast track a political career like Obama did? You do anything you can to get to the top. I wouldn't think those would be good things.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by JET

How can universal healthcare be a good thing? The government sucks are running things (IRS, social security, medicare, etc.). Why the hell do I want my LIFE to be in their control?? Do some research on goverment run healthcare (Canada, Sweden, etc.) and see if you think it works. Everyone can go in at no charge, why not go in for the sniffles? It will choke the system.

Canadian healthcare is a nightmare. The waiting lines are so long that people are dying before they get help. People who need surgery sometimes end up becoming too sick to have surgery by the time they reach the front of the line and end up dying because of that. A quick search will turn up many reports of how tragic it is.

Tom, communism works in theory too.

[1QUICK4]

As far as taxes can anyone on here say there taxes have gone up dramatic amounts in the last 8 years?

I am still getting the same % back damn near every year since 2000. I have gotten a refund every year I've ever filed taxes. I have never had to pay in in my lifetime yet.

I don't see how the tax cuts for 250K plus salaries are affecting you Tom. Unless you're claiming higher than you should you should not be paying in.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

As far as taxes can anyone on here say there taxes have gone up dramatic amounts in the last 8 years?

I am still getting the same % back damn near every year since 2000. I have gotten a refund every year I've ever filed taxes. I have never had to pay in in my lifetime yet.

I don't see how the tax cuts for 250K plus salaries are affecting you Tom. Unless you're claiming higher than you should you should not be paying in.

Yep. The people like us who pay in don't know WTF they're doing, and the ones who get more than a couple hundred back aren't claiming enough.

[Project2G]

McCains daughter is hot. I was listening to her on the radio the other day.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

It's not that I am such an expert, just look at the person I was comparing myself to. Here is quote you made: "I make $60k a year, and my gross is $2307 they take out $697.04 leaving me with $1610 per check. I could use that $700 and make that go along way to making me enter that upper class rank. " Now if you think $697 is half of $2307, I rest my case.

The whole half thing was a meant as an exaggeration. I know 700 is not half of 2300. Gimme a little credit.
Im no expert as well. But when i went to Bemidji State University i was minoring in Political Science and Majoring in MIS (includes classes like Economics, Business analytics and analysis). The minor was just because i was interested in it. But then i finished school at Century College majoring in IT.

Originally Posted by JET

You look at the far left side of things and take them as gospel. There are also people that are far right that would do the same thing. Look up the word "biased" in the dictionary once. I am in the middle and am not real happy with either candidate, I was a Ron Paul supporter. McCain seems mediocre, but Barrack just plain scares me.

I am still not seeing how Barak is Scary? Everyone that says that never seems to back their statements up with any valid, source driven points.

Originally Posted by JET

How can universal healthcare be a good thing? The government sucks are running things (IRS, social security, medicare, etc.). Why the hell do I want my LIFE to be in their control?? Do some research on goverment run healthcare (Canada, Sweden, etc.) and see if you think it works. Everyone can go in at no charge, why not go in for the sniffles? It will choke the system.

My sister Married a guy from Austria, he said the socialized healthcare system works great over there. No lines, able to get in right away.
I had a roomate that was from Germany, Loved the socialized system as well. The fact that she could go to the hospital no matter what provider she is with is great.
It gives me peace of mind that if i were to lose my job for some reason that My Fiance, my son and I would all be able to get to a hospital without any major bills.

Originally Posted by JET

How about gun control? Obama is against concealed carry in any state, voted for a 500% tax increase on ammunition and guns while in IL. He is also for banning most guns and allowing gun companies to be sued if their guns are used in a crime. Should Boeing be sued because their jets were used in the 9/11 attacks? That is just stupid.

When you sell items that their only purpose is to kill someone or something im fine with that. I believe that if guns are sold without the proper background check hell yes people injured should be able to sue.

Originally Posted by JET

You talk about McCain being run by lobbyists. How do you fast track a political career like Obama did? You do anything you can to get to the top. I wouldn't think those would be good things.

Source?
McCain's head guy was getting paid by lobbyists just last month. And i can source that.

Originally Posted by 1quick4

As far as taxes can anyone on here say there taxes have gone up dramatic amounts in the last 8 years?

I am still getting the same % back damn near every year since 2000. I have gotten a refund every year I've ever filed taxes. I have never had to pay in in my lifetime yet.

I don't see how the tax cuts for 250K plus salaries are affecting you Tom. Unless you're claiming higher than you should you should not be paying in.

Its not that taxes have gone up so much as the fact that the superrich pay a much less of a percentage then the lower and middle class.
If we want our people to prosper and everyone to be happy and healthy and live a good life, then you would want the lower and middle class to have less taxation, and the people who already are content in their lifestyle and have more then enough money should have to pay a little more so that it will benefit our country as a whole. Stop the Greed. Its getting harder and harder for the middle and lower classes to keep their head above water.
Its also not that the taxes have gone up, but the dollar has been tanking more and more each year. Just another form of eliminating the middle class.

The reason John McCain scares me is that he makes too many decisions in the moment, without thinking it through and getting all of the facts. Sarah Palin is the same way if not worse.
As well as their speaking ability. John McCain is not at all good at fielding questions on the fly, which is a huge strongpoint of Obama. In my eyes, if a President cannot speak to the nation he is leading, he should not be in the whitehouse. Communication problems start wars. Look at the great speaking ability of Bush (yeah right) and look at what hes gotten us into.

Honestly in the end I really feel that Obama will take this one, I think McCain is digging his own grave, the media is exposing him left and right and enough people watch TV so i think the polls are going to be much different then the actual election.

[asshanson]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Its not that taxes have gone up so much as the fact that the superrich pay a much less of a percentage then the lower and middle class.

Pretty sure this is wrong. Federal income tax is progressive, the more you make the higher percentage it's taxed at.

Maybe what you're trying to say is Obama wants to make it even more progressive so it's a steeper curve as you make more, whereas MaCain opposes this, I know a lot of republicans support more of a flat tax.

Social Security doesn't follow the same rules though, it's a flat tax, plus it's capped each year.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by slowboy

Pretty sure this is wrong. Federal income tax is progressive, the more you make the higher percentage it's taxed at.

Maybe what you're trying to say is Obama wants to make it even more progressive so it's a steeper curve as you make more, whereas MaCain opposes this, I know a lot of republicans support more of a flat tax.

Social Security doesn't follow the same rules though, it's a flat tax, plus it's capped each year.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle1996735.ece Highly publicized speech by Warren Buffett where he is paying 17% on his taxes, but his secretary who makes $60k a year is getting taxed 30%

[asshanson]

Well you're not talking about normal income there, yes the capital gains tax is a lot lower than regular income tax. So I guess if you make your money on the stock market you're taxed at a lower rate. And I agree this is messed up, since the rich often do make a lot on capital gains.

But a business executive lets say makes $500,000k straight income, not stock options, he's taxed a higher rate than the $60k employee.

[mdost03]

http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036

[mdost03]

Originally Posted by Project2G

McCains daughter is hot. I was listening to her on the radio the other day.

Hellz yeah! He's gettin my vote!

[311evo]

good vid, he has nothing to back his shit up. Obama gets the media and young people to love him because he says "change" and "Hope". Hes more of a celebrity that a candidate.

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...cle1996735.ece Highly publicized speech by Warren Buffett where he is paying 17% on his taxes, but his secretary who makes $60k a year is getting taxed 30%

Tom, get a clue. That is because he uses tax shelters and hedge funds that doesn't make sense for the rest of us, or we don't have the disposable income to use. Your tax bracket is 25% and someone making $400k/yr is taxed at 35%.

Now if you really delve into the economics you will know that rich people like that don't sit with the money under their bed and hoard it. They reinvest the money. This leads to extra assets for companies, which allows them to expand, which allows them to hire more people. In my finance class we did scenarios where we lower the taxes on businesses and it created huge differences in the operating capital.

The biggest problem with the economy is shipping our money overseas. Our trade deficit has become rediculous, but for some reason that isn't getting much attention. I'll use the place I just worked at as an example. They would set someone up with a product, lets say a microwave. Target buys this microwave, we would take a small margin off the top (under 5%) and the rest of the money goes to China. So if you buy a microwave from Target for $100, Target gets $30, our company would have got $5, and the other $65 goes to China (those are all approximates). So 2/3 of that purchase was money leaving our country. That is the main reason our economy has tanked lately.

[john]

Originally Posted by JET

In my finance class we did scenarios where we lower the taxes on businesses and it created huge differences in the operating capital.

It took a finance class??? What school?

[john]

Anyone see the Sara Palin Inverview with Katie Curek???

[clean2g]

Originally Posted by john

Anyone see the Sara Palin Inverview with Katie Curek???

Yes, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by JET

In my finance class we did scenarios where we lower the taxes on businesses and it created huge differences in the operating capital.

The biggest problem with the economy is shipping our money overseas. Our trade deficit has become rediculous, but for some reason that isn't getting much attention. I'll use the place I just worked at as an example. They would set someone up with a product, lets say a microwave. Target buys this microwave, we would take a small margin off the top (under 5%) and the rest of the money goes to China. So if you buy a microwave from Target for $100, Target gets $30, our company would have got $5, and the other $65 goes to China (those are all approximates). So 2/3 of that purchase was money leaving our country. That is the main reason our economy has tanked lately.

How would the first part of this affect the average person? Just because a business is making more money doesn't mean it will go to the workers. The business owner will most likely reinvest it in a way to make even more money.

2nd part-So it would be better for everyone to pay more for just about everything they use daily than get them from another country?

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by slowboy

Maybe what you're trying to say is Obama wants to make it even more progressive so it's a steeper curve as you make more, whereas MaCain opposes this, I know a lot of republicans support more of a flat tax.

A flat tax would never work. A flat tax would only help the wealthy. The average person would have to pay a higher tax rate. The wealthiest people in america pay a bigger dollar amount of taxes as it is and making a flat tax would decrease the amount of taxes paid in by the wealthy and increase the rate of the lower classes.

[slowbubblecar]

Originally Posted by JET

How can universal healthcare be a good thing? The government sucks are running things (IRS, social security, medicare, etc.). Why the hell do I want my LIFE to be in their control?? Do some research on goverment run healthcare (Canada, Sweden, etc.) and see if you think it works. Everyone can go in at no charge, why not go in for the sniffles? It will choke the system.

Does universal healthcare mean the private healthcare industry will go away? I would think those willing to pay would have no problem getting care.