I just want to take a quick poll...

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

That's your excuse? It's called an absentee ballot. Or if your county/state allows it you can vote early.

You fail at politics.

It wouldnt have mattered, californias electoral votes went to the Dems. It was the florida retards that screwed everyone.
Gotta love the electoral college.

[Halon]

I pay similar taxes to you Tom. Maybe your money doesn't go as far because you live in Southern California where the cost of living is a bit high.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Halon

I pay similar taxes to you Tom. Maybe your money doesn't go as far because you live in Southern California where the cost of living is a bit high.

Yes that is definatly part of the problem. Hence why im going to be moving back next year.

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

It wouldnt have mattered, californias electoral votes went to the Dems. It was the florida retards that screwed everyone.
Gotta love the electoral college.

More excuses. You are also the one who is in the closet about not liking the two party system yet more or less say there's nothing you can do about, and you are the one who doesn't vote. Voting AGAINST the two parties improves the likeliness of increased support of a third party in the future, but saying that by not voting democrat or republican is wasting a vote is an ignorant comment.

[Matt D.]

Don't like the two party system? Do something about it.

Good reading right here, parts one and two:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton4.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton5.html

[BLaCk_1cE]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Don't like the two party system? Do something about it.

Good reading right here, parts one and two:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton4.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton5.html

Thats good stuff right there, and I agree with it.

[tpunx99GSX]

Just want to add this on the whole Obama vs McCain on the economy.
This was stated by the Oracle of Omaha, Warren Buffett. If you dont know who he is then you should not talk about the economy, he is currently the worlds richest man.
Sorry about the caps, its how it was listed in the transcript from May 05, 2008. http://www.cnbc.com/id/24469771/site/14081545/page/3/
QUICK: ALL RIGHT. LET'S TRY ANOTHER ONE. MY NAME IS JOHN McCAIN. AND, MR. BUFFETT, YOU ARE ON THE RECORD SAYING, YOU WOULD SUPPORT EITHER OBAMA OR CLINTON, BOTH OF MY OPPONENTS, AND I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR. IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO, ANY ECONOMIC ISSUE I CAN GET BEHIND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE YOU THINK TWICE ABOUT POTENTIALLY SUPPORTING ME?

BUFFETT: I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU FELT THAT THE TAX BURDEN SHOULD BE SHIFTED IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY TO THE SUPERRICH AND AWAY FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE ME RE-EVALUATE YOU.

QUICK: I COULD POTENTIALLY GAIN YOUR SUPPORT COME NOVEMBER?

BUFFETT: IN THE END, I VOTE ON ISSUES NOW. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IN THE MAJOR AREAS WHAT ALL THREE CANDIDATES WOULD DO. AND I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS HE HAS A -- I WOULDN'T SAY A SEX CHANGE, BUT A LOBOTOMY OR SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK McCAIN IS GOING TO CHANGE HIS VIEWS TO BE IN ACCORD WITH MINE. I ADMIRE HIM A LOT. I THINK HE'S AN ABSOLUTELY FIRST CLASS HUMAN BEING AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO ELECT SOMEBODY I HOPE IT IS JOHN McCAIN. BUT HE HAS TOO MANY IDEAS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN I DO, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF WHAT I WOULD CALL SOCIAL JUSTICE.

[1QUICK4]

I know I'm going to base my vote on Warren Buffet's opinions.

[BLaCk_1cE]

They like to say Buffet is the richest man. Do some research on the Rothschilds once. How much are they worth? They print the money the world uses...

[JET]

Boy, you are so smart Tom. Do you realize the quote you put up there is saying that he doesn't support McCain because he isn't pro-gay? Leave it to Tom...

[john]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

You fail at politics.

I will ask again as someone DELETED my post:

What is succeeding at politics?

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

Boy, you are so smart Tom. Do you realize the quote you put up there is saying that he doesn't support McCain because he isn't pro-gay? Leave it to Tom...

Are you serious right now? Did you read the transcript that i linked to the quote? He was talking about tax reform. Im not sure what you were reading, because it wasnt what i quoted.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by BLaCk_1cE

They like to say Buffet is the richest man. Do some research on the Rothschilds once. How much are they worth? They print the money the world uses...

Forbes says that he is. And please note we are talking about the worlds richest man. not Family.

I do listen when Warren Buffett talks. A man that has lived his life in economics and managed to rise to the top of the worlds richest man, Yet still lives in the house he bought in the 1950s (for only $35k), Believes in Tax reform to raise taxes for the rich and lower taxes for the middle to lower classes, and has willed 85% of his wealth to the Bill Gates Foundation. The guy has proven himself time and time again to be one of the most influential economist of the past generation.
With whats currently going on with our government and the economic tasks that the next president will have. McCain is not qualified to make any economic decisions (and has said so from his own mouth at the Republican debate.)

[JET]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

BUFFETT: IN THE END, I VOTE ON ISSUES NOW. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR IN THE MAJOR AREAS WHAT ALL THREE CANDIDATES WOULD DO. AND I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THAT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS HE HAS A -- I WOULDN'T SAY A SEX CHANGE, BUT A LOBOTOMY OR SOMETHING, I DON'T THINK McCAIN IS GOING TO CHANGE HIS VIEWS TO BE IN ACCORD WITH MINE. I ADMIRE HIM A LOT. I THINK HE'S AN ABSOLUTELY FIRST CLASS HUMAN BEING AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO ELECT SOMEBODY I HOPE IT IS JOHN McCAIN. BUT HE HAS TOO MANY IDEAS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN I DO, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF WHAT I WOULD CALL SOCIAL JUSTICE.

Alright Tom, you need to read this paragraph 5 times, then ask a smart person what it means Warren says he votes on views now, that doesn't mean economic, he means everything. They he makes a statement about a sex change would change McCains views to be closer to his views, obviously he isn't talking about McCains economic policy. He said if McCain changed his economic policy majorly, then it would swing him. That does not mean that is what he is talking about in the next paragraph.

I am sure he is like most educated people and doesn't fully agree with any candidate in all areas. Therefore he grades each candidate in the important areas to him. When he talked about the economic change, that may have raised one of McCain's areas enough to beat the other candidates. That doesn't mean he likes ANY of the candidates economic policies, so this does not mean that McCain's economic policy sucks. Nice try Tom.

[Shotgun!]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

I'm voting for Ron Paul, so I'm not undecided.

+1

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

Alright Tom, you need to read this paragraph 5 times, then ask a smart person what it means Warren says he votes on views now, that doesn't mean economic, he means everything. They he makes a statement about a sex change would change McCains views to be closer to his views, obviously he isn't talking about McCains economic policy. He said if McCain changed his economic policy majorly, then it would swing him. That does not mean that is what he is talking about in the next paragraph.

I am sure he is like most educated people and doesn't fully agree with any candidate in all areas. Therefore he grades each candidate in the important areas to him. When he talked about the economic change, that may have raised one of McCain's areas enough to beat the other candidates. That doesn't mean he likes ANY of the candidates economic policies, so this does not mean that McCain's economic policy sucks. Nice try Tom.

And how does this mean he is pro-Gay? And Who cares if he is? He didnt say that would swing him, he said he would Re-Evaluate him.
Warren Buffett is known for his Economic Knowledge, Since when was he ever known for his views on gay rights, or any other views that do not have to do with Economic policy. When he says that McCain would need a lobotomy in order for Buffett to swing him, that means he doesnt like ANY of his policys.
Dont sit there and say i am not educated because i will be voting for someone that can actually speak to a nation, doesnt run from a fight, and actually cares about the good of the nation and not the lobbiests he employs.
By you saying you will be voting for McCain proves you have no education. A Man to chooses the scariest vice president the world has seen on a whim, throws a hail mary by stating that he NEEDs to go to washington to "save the country" on an issue that he has no pull of whether it is approved or denied it is the Senate Finance Committee's job to approve or deny the plans. Like he is so well versed in the Economy. Hello Flipper:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...ed_on_economy/
McCain is exactly what the country does NOT need. He is too quick to attempt to make policies that could rip apart this nation, instead of looking for a policy that will benefit the nation with less risk. Hes only doing this washington BS because his campaign was about to take a HUGE downturn. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

Jet, Maybe you need to educate yourself a little more and look at whats really going on. I have yet to find someone that can actually tell me what McCain indends to do with the economy, the war and healthcare.

Obama and his wife came from nothing, worked his ass off and graduated from Harvard, and is now going to be the next president. Its a lot better story then "I was a war hero, and married into money, vote for me"

[A//// Guy]

I have yet to find someone that will actually tell me what Obama is going to do with the economy, the war and healthcare, as well. Besides stating it will CHANGE and raising taxes.

[JET]

Tom, your last post just shows how ignorant you are and how blind to the facts you are. Have I ever stated that I am voting for McCain? No, I never have. I am more educated than you are Tom and understand more about economics than you ever will. I like you as a person, but you get swayed so easily on political views. I wouldn't have a problem with this except that you go preaching to everyone on here like you actually have a clue what you are talking about. You spread a ton of BS around here and act like you know what you are talking about. Luckily many of the people on here see through your BS. People like you give other liberals a bad name.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by M/// Guy

I have yet to find someone that will actually tell me what Obama is going to do with the economy, the war and healthcare, as well. Besides stating it will CHANGE and raising taxes.

Taxes: He will raise taxes for people making over $250,000/year, Middle class and lower classes will not recieve any tax increase, if anything it will get lower.

The war: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal

Healthcare: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All

Economy: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/


McCain is just scary:
http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/mccain.cfm
- Tax breaks for the wealthy
- $4 billion in tax cuts for the 5 oil companies
- Taxation on Healthcare
- Supports Privatization of Social Security.
Someone show me

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by JET

Tom, your last post just shows how ignorant you are and how blind to the facts you are. Have I ever stated that I am voting for McCain? No, I never have. I am more educated than you are Tom and understand more about economics than you ever will. I like you as a person, but you get swayed so easily on political views. I wouldn't have a problem with this except that you go preaching to everyone on here like you actually have a clue what you are talking about. You spread a ton of BS around here and act like you know what you are talking about. Luckily many of the people on here see through your BS. People like you give other liberals a bad name.

Please do explain your qualifications that make you such an expert.

I Dont buy into the bullshit that McCains campaign spreads. Barak is a hell of a lot more believable then McCain ever will be in my eyes. If he is so confident in his views, then why is he trying to cancel debates, why is he trying to get palin out of the debates. Hes running from a fight like a coward.
All of the items i have talked about are able to be sourced. Just ask and ill source it, if i havent already.