50 trim in - lot's of smoke from exhaust - Page 4

slowbubblecar · 05-10-2005

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Originally Posted by ecoli

2G dataloggers are about as useful as the blinky A/F gauges. He should take the money for the aftermarket rods/pistons and buy something that can log for real like DSMLink.

Thats what I meant

BKs50trimGST · 05-10-2005

i got a logger, but the thing is, if you fix the the bearing on the cw you will be fine for a long ass time, you check it after that about every 20,000 miles, check it more if all you do is beat the crap out of it. i just for now want my car back and done, in the future when i have alot of money and i put it to my car, i'm just going to buy a 2G GSX with a fully built up race motor. that's my dream right now - some of you fuckers out there have it (i'm jealous, don't take it personal). if and when my car cw, you all can rub it in my face, ok? leave the 7 bolt thing alone, i'm rebuilding it - now, how do i make it better and the align honing - do i need it done for the arp main's, i would love to know.

**JET** · 05-10-2005

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Originally Posted by BKs50trimGST

i got a logger, but the thing is, if you fix the the bearing on the cw you will be fine for a long ass time, you check it after that about every 20,000 miles, check it more if all you do is beat the crap out of it.

That is bullshit. Many people have tried to replace the bearings in a motor with just a little crank walk to fix it. It doesn't work, they still die in a short amount of time. You would be WAY better off putting a bone stock 6 bolt in there than spending the money on a 7 bolt.

I and several others have said it before. If you don't want to listen to our advice, then quit asking. From what you are saying about Shindley, you have totally fallen for what he says. I wish you the best of luck.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 05-10-2005

Rebuild it to stock specs with ARP head studs. There is no reason for you to spend a lot of money on aftermarket rods, aftermarket pistons, ARP mains, balancing, etc. The stock motor can take the power you are making plus a lot more. If your current motor died because of detonation, then your built motor will probably suffer the same fate. You shouldn't have been making even close to enough power to break the motor from too much power and the reason to build the motor is to be able to handle more power. Fix whatever caused this failure or else the same thing can just as easily happen again with a rebuilt stock motor or a built motor.

Matt D. · 05-10-2005

Can you make power on a 7 bolt? Yes.
Will it ever be reliable? No.

Take JET and ecoli's advice and do it right the first time.

**Kracka** · 05-10-2005

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Originally Posted by Matt D.

Will it ever be reliable? No.

That is false, many people have made good power on the 7-bolts w/o incident. Let the kid do what he wants. Its his money and he's chosen the advice he wants to listen to. Is it right? Maybe. Is it wrong? Maybe. Shindley has spend a lot of time with the car and obviously knows more about it than any of us do.

Raptor · 05-10-2005

This is getting old. Build the 7 bolt if you choose to, remember this thread. Come back and read it over and over after your engine fails. You can ask yourself then why you chose not to listen to the advice given. Then maybe you will realize that the people telling you this know what they are talking about. And yes there are a few in this thread with a lot more mechanic/DSM experience than Mr Shindley, regardless of his age.

BKs50trimGST · 05-10-2005

just to let you know, even if i got dsm link i wouldn't know how to use it at all, i suck with that kind of stuff, i mean isn't it kind of a hassle using your dsm link everyday? turning on the computer, setting it up, and making sure everything is ok even before you can drive the car?

Raptor · 05-10-2005

Get it tuned, take the laptop out of the car and after that beyond logging, it is not necessary to use it again unless you need to change or test something.

BKs50trimGST · 05-10-2005

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1) Don't build a "built" 7-bolt motor.

what do you mean by that>?

**JET** · 05-10-2005

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Originally Posted by BKs50trimGST

what do you mean by that>?

Have you read this thread?!?! That is what every single person in this thread has told you. 3 are from professional shops. Instead you are listening to a unemployed engineer who started working on cars out of his garage to get by.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 05-10-2005

Did you read any of the previous posts?

Onefast99gsx · 05-10-2005

Dude...just get a 6bolt. I'm by no means a professional shop person but i do have a 2g 7bolt GSX. If she ever goes or develops C.W. i'm sure's hell not gonna rebuild it. What's keeping you from just getting a 6 bolt and doing it right? What's tieing you to that 7 bolt so much? You can find 6 bolt blocks for a couple/few hundred bucks or so. And if you do stick with a 7bolt, don't rebuild yours. Somebody here has probably got one laying in their garage for cheap. Buy that until you can get a 6 bolt. If you think you can save alot of money by rebuilding this one, you're mistakenly wrong. By the time you buy rod bearings, cam bearings, gasket kits, honing services, decking and who the hell else know what, you'll have hundreds and hundreds into it. Just going the el cheapo way and throwing a thrust bearing, etc.. in it and putting it back in the car isn't worth the time. Might as well then take the 50 trim off it, put it back to stock and drive it unabused and hope she lasts. I guess it doesn't pay to ask people for advice if you're just gonna do what you wanna do anyway. People wouldn't say to get a 6bolt if they didn't mean it.

CVD · 05-10-2005

HA! Just fucking forget it guys. This kid obviously doesnt want or need advice, he is looking for reassurance that he wont get. Either that or he is dumber than shit. Let him learn with his wallet if that is what he wants to do.

**Kracka** · 05-10-2005

I posted right in this thread where he can get a good cheap 6-bolt; the path is laid out.

BKs50trimGST · 05-10-2005

ok, u bastards got me, i need to know if anyone has one laying around, i know Kracka has a friend with two and i'm interested, Kracka - i pm'ed you, reply to me if you can. as for the rest of you i'm listening now. happy? this is what i'm going to do, if the 6 bolt that i buy from one of u ise decent i won't rebuild, but most likely i'll rebuild it. tell me what ya'll think.

BKs50trimGST · 05-10-2005

i would like to buy the engine from one of you very soon, cuz i know shindley is already pissed about having my car at his house without getting work done on it. i would like to get the 6-bolt sometime on saturday, prom is on friday and i can't do it then. reply to this asap or call me and leave me a message - 612-730-5165

Raptor · 05-10-2005

If that one falls through, I have about 4 sitting here, Short blocks for rebuilding.

**JET** · 05-10-2005

Yep, I have a short block that just needs pistons. It wouldn't hurt to check the bearings either, but they should be ok.

Onefast99gsx · 05-10-2005

Hi Jet- For my own knowledge and future. You could use a 7bolt head on a 6 bolt block, correct?? I was gonna get a long block from a guy one time and he had the head disassembled. About 5 or 6 out 16 valve guides were cracked which further changed my mind on doing the project.

And, what do you do as far as the knock sensor goes? I have dsmlink. Is there a place for the knock sensor on a 6 bolt in back of the engine?

Thanks.