E85

[santa]

Well, I was reading a bit on this thread and noticed everyone thinking its possible to run it in your dsm... good luck!! E85 is obviously 85%ethonol and 15%gas. Your vehical that you run it in has to be FF approved...Flexible Fuel. They run different line, pumps, injector's because of the ethonol content and what it does to standard fuel vehicals. Yes the octane is higher and blah blah blah but what no one stated that it burns a high amount of fermeldihide which is also a dangerous gas.

Kevin

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by santa

Well, I was reading a bit on this thread and noticed everyone thinking its possible to run it in your dsm... good luck!! E85 is obviously 85%ethonol and 15%gas. Your vehical that you run it in has to be FF approved...Flexible Fuel. They run different line, pumps, injector's because of the ethonol content and what it does to standard fuel vehicals. Yes the octane is higher and blah blah blah but what no one stated that it burns a high amount of fermeldihide which is also a dangerous gas.

Kevin

Yes, this has already been discussed in this and other threads concerning E85. Thank you, please drive through to the next window.

[LightningGSX]

Originally Posted by santa

Yes the octane is higher and blah blah blah but what no one stated that it burns a high amount of fermeldihide which is also a dangerous gas.

Kevin

Formaldehyde is really only a problem in vehicles that run on methanol and its nothing that a catalytic converter can't handle.Many ethanol test vehicles and OEM FFV vehicles make less formaldehyde.Anyway, most other pollutants are decreased running ethanol, so its still much better for the environmnent than gas.An slight increase in one or two harmful emissions for a decrease in a handful of others, is a worthy trade-off if you ask me.

[unreal808]

I was just thinking about E85 and have been looking around at converting and found these interesting pages.

http://www.abcesso.com/index.html?la...arget=d10.html
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/id36.html

[santa]

That kinda funny cause I'm running E85 in my car right now lol.

Kevin

[Shane@DBPerformance]

I tuned a turbo Honda for E85 daily driving a week ago. It had 1600cc fuel injectors, -8 AN fuel lines, and the big Bosch pump. He said it was getting 22mpg after the tune. I think it made 470-480whp.

[x-pride]

Originally Posted by ecoli

I tuned a turbo Honda for E85 daily driving a week ago. It had 1600cc fuel injectors, -8 AN fuel lines, and the big Bosch pump. He said it was getting 22mpg after the tune. I think it made 470-480whp.

Was that Nates car?

[Super Bleeder!!]

Originally Posted by x-pride

Was that Nates car?

nein

[Shotgun!]

Stfu

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Originally Posted by x-pride

Was that Nates car?

No. Nate should be making some high pump gas numbers soon though, with some help from meth.

[Gravy]

So how many people here have sucesfully transfered over to E-85? And if so, how do you like it?

I've thought about looking into setting up a car in the future, but i want some hands on experience to the use of it.

[Swifty1638]

Me too, since gas prices are rather high, and will only climb. I will either convert for e85, or run 100 octane. where does one find this gas around the suburbs? I realize it won't be as easy just stopping in at a station to run it..

-A. Swift

[Kracka]

Up here in Duluth all the Holiday stations carry it and some of the Super America stations do too....not sure if its the same down there though.

[Gravy]

There's a site online you can go to and it lists ALL of the E-85 stations in the country, and even states individual.

I know there are two stations kind of near where i live//work. There's one of of Lexington and 35w in Circle pines not too far from the centenial schools.

Also on off for hwy 47 in Ramsey near the Clinic, not sure of the road name. But if you look around you'll find them.

[Jed]

http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php

Should find you a place. In little ol' Winona we've got 3 places to get it so
I'm sure if you're in Minnesota it shouldn't be that hard to find.

I ran a 50-50 mix of E85 and 93 octane over the weekend just for giggles to
see what it would do to the fuel trims and how my car would react. Nothing
too surprising, the fuel trims rose a little bit.

What I am curious about is how E85 and our stock O2 sensor (and ECU)
affect one another. Open loop won't be hard to figure out but in closed loop
will the fuel trims be happy once the car is richened up to 9.7:1 or 10.5:1 or
whatever stoich works out to be for E85. With DSMLink I would assume this
would be possible with the global slider.

Or am I missing something?

[desolate]

I was running it on my car. Everyone has mixed opinions. imho I love that stuff you can run tons of boost without knocking just like race gas. You have to add more fuel (about 15-30%) depending on circumstances. To really get the most out of it you will need a wideband. I have upgraded injectors that have viton seals on them and my fpr is ethanol tolerant. Sure it will eat away aluminum and other seals but my dsm is 15 yrs old so I could care less. If something melts (which I highly doubt it will) I will replace it with ethanol tolerant componets. A fuel rail is how much? You can get it almost anywhere in MN. It's funny to go and pull up to an E-85 pump and the instore goes "does your car take that stuff?!"

[Jed]

Did you have a Wideband? If so what did you find Stoich to be around? And what was your target A/F in open loop?

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Stoich is 1.0 lambda for any fuel. Most widebands should be able to output in lambda, instead of the normal gasoline fuel mode.

[Jed]

I guess I should have asked what A/F ratio stoich was for E85 as I've heard everything from 9.7:1 to 10.5:1. Not that a wideband cares, it was more for my curiosity.

Shane, can I ask what A/F you were shooting for at WOT on the E85 honda?

[TalonFiero]

I have been running a mix of e85 and 93 and have had excellent results so far. Too bad I need more injector...

Jim