50 trim in - lot's of smoke from exhaust - Page 2

slowbubblecar · 05-06-2005

I'm pretty sure its probably lifter tick. call me tonight, we can meet and i will tell you if it is.
James

Jacek · 05-06-2005

how does the car run? misfires or other roughness?

BKs50trimGST · 05-07-2005

i figured out it's rods, i was drivngs to shindley's yesterday afternoon to take a look and it definately wasn't the lifters, car over heated, died on me up there on 494, radiator fluid came out of the resovoir, we thought it was the head gasket, but he turned the car on when he got it towed to his house and he's 99% sure engine needs rebuilding. so that's where i am with my car. the knocking i heard wasn't lifters, it was the rods. so now i'm looking into rebuilding the fucking thing. i dunno what to do anymore with this car. alot of money for rebuilding or getting a new engine.

howslowcanyougo · 05-07-2005

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Originally Posted by BKs50trimGST

i figured out it's rods, i was drivngs to shindley's yesterday afternoon to take a look and it definately wasn't the lifters, car over heated, died on me up there on 494, radiator fluid came out of the resovoir, we thought it was the head gasket, but he turned the car on when he got it towed to his house and he's 99% sure engine needs rebuilding. so that's where i am with my car. the knocking i heard wasn't lifters, it was the rods. so now i'm looking into rebuilding the fucking thing. i dunno what to do anymore with this car. alot of money for rebuilding or getting a new engine.

Sorry to hear about your motor man!

It's tough sometimes to have to live and learn.....:-<

I almost threw a 50 trim on my 2G Tsi a while back myself, but some the guys on the board here were kind enough to talk me out of it, cause I didn't have the correct supporting mods, and I'd wreck my car.

I'm glad I listened to them.

If I were you I'd talk to Mike now about a 2.4 and start saving my cash up for a nice upgrade!

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 05-07-2005

Maybe it was detonating when you got on it hard without tuning it and it spun a rod bearing.

slowbubblecar · 05-07-2005

don't bother rebuilding the 7 bolt. Either get a race motor or a used 6 bolt block.

john · 05-07-2005

Dont get a 2.4l. He is FWD, he already has traction problems. Whatever you do, go with a 6 bolt. Not much you could have done after the bearing already started spinning. Who tuned the car? Shindley???

As far as the BOV goes, my 50 trim didn't make much of a noise either. The turbo spool was louder. I couldn't even hear my blitz bov.

BKs50trimGST · 05-09-2005

Well right now i'm thinking of just building up my 7 bolt, i talked with shindley alot about it and if i build up my engine with high performance parts for the turbo my car will be fine, i know the reason why everyone gets a 6-bolt, cuz of the crankwalk issue. Any other reason's why i would love to hear them. Shindley is going to get my 7 bolt bored out .20, replace the rods and pistons, build it back up so that i can easily withstand the 18 pounds of boost that i'm going to run. Most likely do alittle head work, hoag out a couple of things, get the 1g intake manifold in.

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 05-09-2005

A stock 7-bolt will handle well over 18psi and 150-200whp more than you were probably making. Your motor didn't break because it was making too much power, something went wrong with it because of tuning or install or just bad luck. The reason to not build a 2G 7-bolt is because of the crankwalk, and that is a major problem which shouldn't be ignored. Putting aftermarket rod and pistons in it will not fix the crankwalk problem.

howslowcanyougo · 05-09-2005

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A stock 7-bolt will handle well over 18psi and 150-200whp more than you were probably making.

You saying a 7 bolt can go to 36 psi and 450 HP or just up to 18 psi?

So what can a 6 bolt do?

How about a 2.4? <My next Block, I hope>

I watch my knock like a hawk, <but that's easy with a remap of the knock count to the CEL with Dsmlink!> and always run only mobil1.

I have a A/T on my 7 bolt which I hear reduces the C/W odds, but that berring #3 statement makes me a bit nervous.

Is there really a big limitation on just how far you can go with a 7 bolt before she deeps 6's compared to pushing a 6 bolt?

So just when can I expect my 7 bolt motor also implode into another mangled pile of DSM shit?

TIA.....

PS: Both Rick and Mike have done great work for "me and my Tsi! the past couple years" I am now here only to learn and drive, which I can't do very well either!

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 05-09-2005

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Originally Posted by howslowcanyougo

You saying a 7 bolt can go to 36 psi and 450 HP or just up to 18 psi?

You could probably do 36psi on a 7-bolt, if you put in some ARP head studs. You can't judge things by psi, how much actual power it makes, how high you are reving the motor and the amount of knock/detonation are much more important than the actual boost being run. Barton made 450whp on his stock internal 7-bolt. The record on a stock internal 7-bolt is around 550whp. The main limitation on the 7-bolts is the smaller rods, even though they seem to be about the same size at the EVO 8 rods and people are pushing 500whp on those.

The 6-bolts have much larger rods stock. I don't know how much they handle, but Andy Nash on here ran in the mid 500s at the wheels for a long time with his factory internal 6-bolt.

If you do a 2.4l, you would be putting aftermarket parts in it anyways.

**Kracka** · 05-09-2005

I agree with Shane, it is best to buy a decent 6-bolt block and have that rebuilt. I have a buddy here in Duluth that is willing to sell one of his two 6-bolt engines. PM me if you're interested.

BKs50trimGST · 05-09-2005

what happens if i build up my 7bolt and it crankwalk's? what do i have to fix?

At-Least-It's-An-Evo · 05-09-2005

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Originally Posted by BKs50trimGST

what happens if i build up my 7bolt and it crankwalk's? what do i have to fix?

When it crankwalks, you will need to get a different block and crank and start over.

BKs50trimGST · 05-09-2005

shindley looked alot at everything, we talked about the 6 bolt and 7 bolt, he said right now i don't need to worry about the crankwalk, he has looking at the engine the past 2 days and i should go with building up my 7 bolt.

BKs50trimGST · 05-09-2005

and shidley is also trying to save me money, because u can't just drop in a 6 bolt into a 2g can you? you have to modify a couple things and that costs money, i'll probably be saving myself a couple grand just rebuilding the 7 bolt and leaving it at that, basically all i want is an engine that is basically brand new, rebuilding it will do that, i buy performance internals and the car will be able to handle the 50 trim for a longtime, correct?

EclipseGST · 05-09-2005

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Originally Posted by BKs50trimGST

and shidley is also trying to save me money, because u can't just drop in a 6 bolt into a 2g can you? you have to modify a couple things and that costs money...

You have to grind the drivers side motor mount, 6 bolt flywheel, cut off the dampner on the tranny and wire in a 90-94 CAS... Motor swap done.

Raptor · 05-09-2005

If you waste money building the 7 bolt and it crankwalks, you only have yourself to blame. It will cost you more in the long run and the chance it will walk is pretty significant. I have several extra six bolt short blocks laying around as does a bunch of people on the site. Doing the conversion is pretty simplistic, it gets done at least once a month around here. There is soo much ink on this already, I won't waste any more. Do it right now or be sorry later.

**Kracka** · 05-09-2005

Advice has been given; your money, your call.

AJ · 05-09-2005

Do what you want with the car and don't let Shindley make yoru mind up. Your getting some free advice here from people who have the skills and abilities to know what they are doing and can back up what they say. At the end it's your call but seriously think about what the hell your doing. But if you only want to take one guy's opinion of the situation, I honestly don't even know why you need an account here.