E85

[Matt D.]

Originally posted by TalonTSiDude+May 30 2004, 04:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TalonTSiDude @ May 30 2004, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-LightningGSX@May 30 2004, 04:47 AM
And you can't honestly tell me you'd rather give your money to a foreigner, over an american farmer, could you?

I'd rather get what I pay for. If I want corn I go to the grocery store; if I want gas I go to the gas station. If the farmers made quality gasoline I would purchase it from them rather than from overseas, but they don't, they grow vegatables. [/b][/quote]
Sorry, but ethanol is a quality fuel, a by-product of corn. Ethanol plants aren't like meth labs... A refined product compared to a crude product.

[Kracka]

Originally posted by Matt D.@May 30 2004, 05:29 PM
Sorry, but ethanol is a quality fuel, a by-product of corn. Ethanol plants aren't like meth labs... A refined product compared to a crude product.

No need for apologies my friend. Just so you know, gallon to gallon gasoline makes more power; that is why you see a reduction in fuel economy with E85 and the 10% stuff. I really don't care what you guys buy though, the less gasoline that is purchased the cheaper it will become for me. Aslong as we are all happy with the choices we make I see no problems what so ever.

[Matt D.]

Originally posted by TalonTSiDude@May 30 2004, 05:09 PM
Just so you know, gallon to gallon gasoline makes more power; that is why you see a reduction in fuel economy with E85 and the 10% stuff.

No doubt you see a reduction in fuel economy because your car isn't equipped to run on ethanol. Like Eric has said before, you need to run an A/F ratio that is completely off the board when compared to what is good for gasoline.

[Kracka]

Yeah, you must mix a lot richer to get equivalant power.

[A//// Guy]

If most of our oil comes from canada, then why are you guys complaining about the foriegner (middle east) factor of receiving oil? If only 15% of our oil comes from the middle east then I dont care about who Im paying to get oil.

And I really dont see any benefit besides the polution factor with E85. Sure its better for the environment but if you have to put more in to go the same distance is it really?? Maybe but not by much. If it was much cheaper than regular gas sure Id go for it if my car could take it. BUT my car doesnt take it and its about .20 cents cheaper not .40 compared to regular.

[Matt D.]

Originally posted by EclipseTurbo@May 30 2004, 05:45 PM
And I really dont see any benefit besides the polution factor with E85.

Oil, and other fossil fuels, aren't going to be around forever. Ethanol comes from corn, and corn is a replenishable resource, and can be done so at a fairly rapid rate given the proper climate.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Originally posted by EclipseTurbo@May 30 2004, 05:45 PM
And I really dont see any benefit besides the polution factor with E85.

How about the ability to run 26psi daily on a fuel that costs about the same as 87 octane?

[LightningGSX]

You guys just don't get it.Taking a small reduction in fuel economy for the ability to run much more boost and much lower intake temps, making much more knock free power, polluting much less and supporting the American economy(not Canada, Middle East, or any other foreign country) while paying less than 87 octane, sounds like a hell of a deal to me.

[Raptor]

That sums it up nicely. I don't see a valid argument to that only the standard issue, I like my way and don't want to change mentality. At least for a mostly street driven car, E85 makes perfect sense and is not very difficult to convert to. The benefits are there and the cost does end up being less in the end after all the efficiency issues are gone through. I will be converting the talamino to it but the blue one is going to be on race only as that is the only time it will be driven.

As with everything else, everyone will retain their opinions, but if you have yet to form one, this is a very valid option for fuel for boosted cars.

[Enes]

so all of the gaskets and fuel pump stuff would need to be converted... i supose all -an stuff would work great?

And i guess 26psi daily driven with no KNOCK is would be very nice!!!
-E

[LightningGSX]

Actually the more data I read on E85, the more its becoming apparent that on a turbo vehicle, you can easily INCREASE fuel economy, while increasing power output as well.

[JET]

Would you care to elaborate on increasing the fuel economy Eric? I have done a lot of research on this too, but I haven't seen anything to support that, yet.

[LightningGSX]

Check the papers/reports on the Ethanol Vehicle Challenge(EVC).There were a few over the years, they consisted of around 14 university teams.Nearly all the teams suceeded in increasing power output, and up to 3/4 of them succeeded in increasing MPG as well(via forced induction), one team showed a 20% increase in economy, while still showing an increase in power.They go over the technical aspects pretty well also.

[LightningGSX]

There are a few SAE papers on the subject that contain real world info/results also, not free though.

[LightningGSX]

Heres a good one
http://www.westbioenergy.org/reports/55032.../55032final.htm

[Khadgar]

Would this ever be a practical upgrade? Or are you just looking in to it out of interest?

[Jakey]

Check out this paper, a few years old but definitely interesting: http://www.deh.gov.au/atmosphere/eth...ive/index.html

[tpunx99GSX]

Holy OLD ASS THREAD BATMAN.

[Jakey]

Damn if you thought this one was old, you missed the "Sick" thread I brought back from December of 2003.

[Halon]

maybe old, but I'm still curious if Lightening has had any more progress with this. Very interesting.