01-29-2010
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formerly ecoli
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
You can't ever have a very good SAFC tune, since all it does it trick the ECU by modifying the MAS signal. It can't change the ignition timing directly(it does indirectly, often not in the way you want), it can't scale the injectors correctly, it can't adjust the revlimiter, it can't get rid of fuel cut, etc. You can usually get a decent enough with 550s and an SAFC on pump gas or 750-850cc on E85 though. You might want to get some cams. A low compression stock 1G motor with a 1G head and a small 16G isn't going to make amazing power or anything.
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
850cc aren't that small if he's sticking with the small 16g. You could easily get 300whp out of those injectors on e85.
Edit: I guess everyone else already said this while I was typing.
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01-29-2010
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
aight..dam alot of info lol thts y i love this site haha..but newayz dnt really have the $ for a dsmlink right now..what u guys i suggest i do with the mod list i have now?
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
Look to be setup pretty good for pump gas right now, but if you want to go with E85, I'd say 272's, Link, and 850cc+ injectors.
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
aight how about since i cant afford a dsmlink right now ill leave it on pump gas for now..so the most i could prly get without e85 is around 220ish?
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 93tsiawd
aight how about since i cant afford a dsmlink right now ill leave it on pump gas for now..so the most i could prly get without e85 is around 220ish?
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You could still use E-85, just have shane tune your car and burn you a new chip. Then save for Link.
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
i was plannin on havin joey at excessive autosports tune it
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
im confused on what to do now lol cant make up my mind
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formerly ecoli
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
DSMLink Lite is $345 or less. I do chip tunes on the dyno for less than the cost of getting an SAFC and dyno tuning it also. You will need to do something about your MAS though too. Either a 2G MAS or hack the shit out of your 1G MAS. You can max out a stock 1G MAS on the stock 14B turbo.
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
1/4 mile times are largely based on the best mod of all, the driver mod. I've ran a 12.24 on a big 16g with 550cc inj. SAFC I ACT 2600 clutch and big exhaust. But some people are scared to launch their cars hard, or short shift cause they think its gonna blow.
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01-30-2010
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
I really liked my small 16g set up (safc, evo 560cc injectors, hks 264's, fmic, exhaust, etc). Really quick spool, buy had jack sh*t for top end. It was definately fun, I beat some big 16g cars (was 2g gst, farting around on the freeway), with a driveway tune lol. I never really got it dialed in. If you just want a fun street car, you can have that with the set up listed. I used only 93 ultimate, ran like 24psi, with it awd 1g.
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01-30-2010
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
I'm sure 272s, e316g, dsmlink and you've got a pretty sweet ride. The Galant is more than fun with just the e316g...can't imagine it with 272s, e-85, 1000cc injectors, dsmlink. I'm sure with mods you get, the car should be in the high 12s...but it is ALL driver mod.
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
k..so do i have a pretty decent setup?
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
Yeah, I know a person on here that ran low 12's in a AWD all day long on a small 16g, E-85 would unlock more power than 92 oct, but its up to you whether to buy the 255lph pump and ~880cc sized injectors or not. I guarantee that once you have that setup running right you will have fun with it, I miss the boost snap in 1st from the AWD's. Hell Alpha D's car with like 8psi feels fast compared to my fwd.
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
yea i thnk im going with 880cc injectors with the walbro fuel pump n e85 n the setup i was talkn about
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
Mmm. Corn. I'd never go back.
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02-01-2010
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
tnx alot guys..i made up my mind n im goin with:
small 16g
ported o2 housing
tubular manifold
full exhaust
fmic kit
intake
Apexi Safc- tuned
E85
800cc-850cc injectors
walbro 255 lph
2g maf
now..anybody have any of these parts they would sell me?
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02-01-2010
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
i've got a 2g mas with the pig tail+intake. pm me if you're interested
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formerly ecoli
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
I would stick with 750-880cc injs, if you plan on using an SAFC and E85. 1000s are getting a bit too big for the SAFC.
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02-01-2010
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Join Date: Jan 2010
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Re: 4g63t modded estimated awhp?
pmd awd- drifter..o n tnxs ecoli ill go with 800's or 850's
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