Dave's Evo X Build/The Life of Dave blog

[JET]

Originally Posted by evotuner

That was a joke, I have no ill feelings toward Hughes, MAP or anyone involved and wouldnt wish that upon anyone either. If it happened to me I'd expect some laughs as well. If everyone is going to get butthurt about that I'll edit my post or a MOD can delete it.

That wasn't me getting butthurt and it also wasn't funny. Since you want to QQ about it, enjoy your week off. ^banned

[URV8SUX]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Evo X has a restrictor pill stock from the factory. Not sure about the guys with 6-puck clutches, but it's almost a must to remove it if you place to drive hard with a full-face disc. Removing the one from my ex-X is what allowed the stock clutch to last so long (71k miles and counting) at 425/400.

Originally Posted by evotuner

Well 71k and....lol

BANNED FOR THIS?^^^

Well if Marlo wants to have the car launch consistently then he would need a tire with a softer sidewall to allow the tire so catch up or something to allow the clutch to slip a little whether it's his foot or a flow control valve.

Personally I think it's easier to to just side step the clutch and allot the tires to do the work.

I believe Magnus makes one that will just slip a litte on the launch.

http://magnusmotorsports.com/product.../#.UzAyve29LCR

But then again what do I know my fwd car only cuts mid 1.5 60fts.

[turbotalon1g]

BECAUSE RACECAR

[Murlo26]

Thoughts on IC size for a stock turbo?

ETS only has 3" cores in stock and I was hoping to order a new IC this week.

I was planning to get a new ETS bundle which is there #1 package or some shit.

It comes with the intake, UICP, LICP and the FMIC, all of which I need to get my car running again and its a pretty good deal. ETS recommended to me to go 3.5" even though their 3" is rated at 700HP. They said the extra cooling will be necessary with the extra hot air I will be pushing with the stock turbo at 30psi+. To be honest, I am not sure the stock turbo will make 30psi on my setup as I think it will be maxed out but yea.

So I am struggling on whether to wait on ETS to get more 3.5/4" cores in stock or risk the 3".

Some people i have talked to said just stick with 3", less weight, plenty of cooling for 400whp and cheaper. Others have said you want the bigger IC's for more cooling and denser air etc etc.

I could look at getting a different IC besides the ETS to get a bigger one I guess, but I like simple and ordering a package deal from ETS seems simple and I wanted to do it this week so I can get my car running soon.

Also I have heard conflicting information on pressure drops and what not.

[Kracka]

Get AGP's FMIC instead and pair it with Depo's aluminum IC pipes. For real, I've installed a few sets and they are nice; fairly thick aluminum so they don't crush yet are still a fraction of the weight of steel pipes. As far as the AGP FMIC: large core, perfect fitment (I've installed a few), 3" outlet to match the Depo LICP, and cast end-tanks.

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Get AGP's FMIC instead...and Depo's aluminum IC pipes. For real, I've installed a few sets and they are nice; fairly thick aluminum so they don't crush yet are still a fraction of the weight of steel pipes.

Shit? Serial? Almost every actual track person seems to use ETS and they have always performed well.

I hate AGP, their turbo kit is a joke for the X and just seems like a total POS. Its a laggy turd and their parts always seem to break. Yes, they have awesome customer service and replace stuff quickly, but I just want something proven.

I chose not to support depo after some of the BS i saw on the forums unfortunately. I am sure their stuff works and works well but I want to support merica as much as i can

Man I was hoping to keep this talk more about size of IC, not picking a company lol. I am having enough trouble just picking the IC let alone the manufacturer.

[Kracka]

I don't care about AGP's turbo kit, we're talking intercoolers here. AGP's is the same price as the ETS 3.5" and far nicer.

If you stick with ETS, then at least get the 3.5" core. I wouldn't suggest the 3" for anyone but someone going to further than mega basic bolt-ons. In terms of IC pipes, it's tough to find nice aluminum ones; since the demise of Nisei, Depo is one of the few companies making IC pipes that meet my standards. Cobb's are nice, but are $$$ and don't fit as well (plus their LICP is only 2.5", I prefer 2.75-3" to take advantage of a ported TB...with a matching FMIC outlet).

[Murlo26]

Well so you basically echo what I have been hearing, the 3.5" is ideal and the 4" will probably even get you a bit more (5hp?).

I think I might go 4" just to maximize my stock turbo setup. The 3.5 and 4" are both the same lead time right now so I mind as well get max cooling if I am not trying to get the one in stock and size it only for the stock turbo.

If I get impatient waiting for my new IC I will toss on the stocker to start tuning.

[Kracka]

Doesn't MAP have some new intercooler they're prototyping?

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Doesn't MAP have some new intercooler they're prototyping?

Yes, lead time issue.

I was going to originally use MAP for everythign but they don't make a LICP and getting the FMIC together was a problem in any real timeline with their current workload.

[Murlo26]

Ok, so talked with Chris some on gmail chat or whatever. He convinced me of his suggestions and to save some dough.

Now this is my setup for the year I think:

stock x turbo (ported/coated by MAP)
Stock x exhaust manifold (Ported/coated by MAP)
MAP o2 dump downpipe with 3d flange (ported by MAP)
AGP 3.5" FMIC
Depo Racing UICP
Depo Racing 3" LICP
ETS Intake with velocity stack
MAP Rev 3 Intake Manifold - coated as well
MAP 64mm Ported Throttle body
ID1300cc injectors (finally making the jump to ID, was too cheap before but they are the best from all the tuners I have talked to)
AEM320 pump

I think that is the majority of the changes and new stuff. Otherwise, same 2.2L 10:1 compression motor, same head setup with GSC s2 cams etc.

The stock turbo and manifold are already bought and on their way later this week.

I am sure I will need to pick up a slew of stock gaskets, lines, bolts, studs etc but I will tackle that with install.

Hoping for a 420whp/450wtq type of setup. (dynojet numbers, not db numbers). I made 393/396 at MAP on my original stock turbo setup on my stock 2.0L so I think this is doable but only time will tell.

I am excited that I am going to drive the car again, been forever.

[scheides]

Honestly on e85 on the stock turbo idk if I'd put all that money into porting and coating. Just KISS and get it running; your list is already a mile long!

I saw one of those AEM pumps this weekend at the newb mod day...it took hours to install...I wasn't impressed. I'd just go with a DW65 pump. Are these AEM pumps the new hot shit or something?

[scheides]

Oh, and 3.0" fmic? Umm, no. I'd rather just rock a stock or ebay one .

Listen to hughes!

[goodhart]

Jesus titty fucking christ you love to complicate this thing at every corner don't you Dave?

Don't you already have an aftermarket FMIC? If so, leave it alone.

Already have a ballin ass fuel system? Leave it alone!

Already have injectors, piping, intake mani, throttle body? Why not leave it all alone? Just get the thing running dude, my god.



tl;dr version: Don't over complicate shit so much. Get the thing running. Build it for yourself, not every internet record on every super kewl forum out there.

[Murlo26]

No I don't have any of the items I'm talking about here, I parted it all out last year.

Scheides, I talked to Hughes about the porting and coating and he said go for it, I wasn't sure if I wanted it or not. I wanted the AEM just based on size and price, eventually that will feed a surge tank. I hate DW pumps so I don't want that, I'd rather go wally 255.

Yes I do like to complicate shit I'm not going for a record really just want the car running.

[scheides]

Originally Posted by Murlo26

No I don't have any of the items I'm talking about here, I parted it all out last year.

Scheides, I talked to Hughes about the porting and coating and he said go for it, I wasn't sure if I wanted it or not. I wanted the AEM just based on size and price, eventually that will feed a surge tank. I hate DW pumps so I don't want that, I'd rather go wally 255.

Yes I do like to complicate shit I'm not going for a record really just want the car running.

You sure have developed a lot of vendettas against vendors that make simple, reliable, drop-in parts...why the DW65 hate? No adapter required, drops into factory fuel hanger...unless you've already got the adapter and everything....the DW300 v2 flows even more than the original did and probably rivals a modded W255 now. W255's are tried and true but they are noisy; that's why I like the DW pumps so much (and my W400 for that matter)!

[TkrPerformance]

Give up. Make it all stock and sell it. You know you will have it all together and change your mind for the 1000th time and switch set ups.

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by scheides

You sure have developed a lot of vendettas against vendors that make simple, reliable, drop-in parts...why the DW65 hate? No adapter required, drops into factory fuel hanger...unless you've already got the adapter and everything....the DW300 v2 flows even more than the original did and probably rivals a modded W255 now. W255's are tried and true but they are noisy; that's why I like the DW pumps so much (and my W400 for that matter)!

I dislike the dw65c because it barely outflows the stock x pump. The stock x pump is a solid performer and this just doesn't seem like its worth the money for the extra fuel. I don't have vendettas really, I guess I just distrust DW with their questionable quality control and they seem to not RnD as much as I would like to see a company do. (their injectors sucking all over the board have left a bad taste in my mouth) Also, Hughes ended up talking me into Depo, lol. Mainly because it just made sense with the AGP IC which seemed to be a solid choice and has a 3" outlet so the 3" LICP made sense.

I am not all for the AEM320, but in the future if I ever did go back to something bigger which I am going to try to avoid as I want to start working on the house a lot more, it would be big enough to keep a surge tank topped off.

Originally Posted by Kracka

I'll echo the DW65c pump choice IF you still have your stock unmolested fuel pump hangar and assembly available. I'd offer you mine, but I honestly just threw it out a few weeks ago while cleaning out my garage and attic from Evo shit

I wouldn't bother coating the intake manifold; my coater down here talked me out of it. Do run a phenolic barrier though (I like the cheap white plastic one that doubles as a gasket rather than the orangish one that requires 2 OEM gaskets).

the DW65 won't work anyway as no I don't have an unmolested fuel pump, mine was heavily modded for the wally450 and I don't have a bunch of the stock shit that went in there.

As for the manifold, its done already, i have had that and my throttle body for months now. I already have the phenolic spacer (barrier) as well, have had that for years.

Originally Posted by TkrPerformance

Give up. Make it all stock and sell it. You know you will have it all together and change your mind for the 1000th time and switch set ups.

There is no "make it all stock" option on this car. It's past that. Frankly I'd rather sell it as is for a huge loss if anything so I don't have to use any money on it. I would spend stupid amounts of time trying to put it back to stock. Also, the smartest thing to do would've been to sell it last year when it had the big ass t4 kit on it because then I could get someone who thought that much power in a 4 cylinder was a good idea and fetch top dollar for it. Now I will probably only get a few thousand over what a stock one fetches.

But for now I want to drive it, so not going to sell it. Besides, it has to be running to sell it so if I get bored of it once its back together I will put it up for sale and move onto something more stock like.

[goodhart]

Jeez, I didn't realize you parted so much of the damn thing. I still don't know why. LOL

Originally Posted by Murlo26

I guess I just distrust DW with their questionable quality control and they seem to not RnD as much as I would like to see a company do.

Might as well cross ETS off any parts wish list ever then. They have as much RnD as something I made in my garage.

[Murlo26]

Originally Posted by goodhart

Jeez, I didn't realize you parted so much of the damn thing. I still don't know why. LOL



Might as well cross ETS off any parts wish list ever then. They have as much RnD as something I made in my garage.

Yea, I sold a ton of shit. Full t4 turbo kit, fuel system and FMIC and pipes. That left the evo pretty bare.

I switched to something else besides ETS, Hughes and I talked I did keep their intake because i know that works though.