McChrystal, good guy or bad guy?

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-22-2010

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-96873364.html

I applaud him and his staff for speaking the truth about the situation and the ridiculous hand tying polices regarding the rules of engagement along with everything else.

Either we are there to get it done or get the hell out.

Thoughts?

Here's the Rolling Stone article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...RS_show_page=0

Matt D. · 06-22-2010

I applaud him. It's about time the bullshit stopped getting swept under the rug.

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-22-2010

Added the Rolling Stone article to the first post.

**goodhart** · 06-22-2010

It's rediculous that any fucking civilian i.e. politician, should be in charge of a war. The only thing that comes of it is stupid god damn rules like the ones mentioned in the article. There is no way in hell we will ever actually finish the job with restrictions like those on the troops. Obama needs to get a fucking clue sometime, I'm really almost convinced now that he is trying to run this country into the ground.

Another article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37839756..._news-military

**Kracka** · 06-22-2010

^Politicians and the media are why we never won in Vietnam and why things are progressing so slowly in the Middle East. Can you imagine how WWII would have turned out had things been run the way they are now back then?

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-22-2010

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Can you imagine how WWII would have turned out had things been run the way they are now back then?

We'd all be driving Volkswagen's and eating wiener schnitzel.

**goodhart** · 06-22-2010

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We'd all be driving Volkswagen's and eating wiener schnitzel.

Exactly.

Fucking stupid cocksuckers. Politicians have no business making decisions regarding military strategy. NONE.

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-22-2010

"The Marine Corps -- When It Absolutely, Positively Has To Be Destroyed Overnight"

This is what these people are trained for. They are killing and subduing machines, not baby sitters. Let them get the job done or pull them. There is no in between for me.

There should never be a rule of engagement that puts an American soldier's life at risk before an enemy's life or property. PERIOD.

**Halon** · 06-22-2010

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"The Marine Corps -- When It Absolutely, Positively Has To Be Destroyed Overnight"

This is what these people are trained for. They are killing and subduing machines.

Hell yeah, anyone who knows me knows how much of a kiling machine I am!!!

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-22-2010

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Hell yeah, anyone who knows me knows how much of a kiling machine I am!!!

Are you/were you a soldier?

**Shane@DBPerformance** · 06-22-2010

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Hell yeah, anyone who knows me knows how much of a kiling machine I am!!!

Axle killer!

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-22-2010

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Axle killer!

**Kracka** · 06-22-2010

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Are you/were you a soldier?

He's a Marine; used to shoot spiders!

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-22-2010

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He's a Marine; used to shoot spiders!

I'd shoot them bastards too!!

bramagedained · 06-23-2010

My .02 as a soldier in Afghanistan:

Atleast he obviously isn't worried about what people think of him too much that it gets in the way, like a lot of people do.

The article has been quite the topic of discussion here in Afghanistan today. I found it quite entertaining when I read it last night.

I was just pissed that when I was in Bagram a couple weeks ago the Dairy Queen was closed because he axe'd all the fast food joints.

I'm no where near a combat MOS, I seldom go out on foot patrols(I have gone out as support for some equipment) and 95% of my travel is by helicopter.

It is sometimes frustrating being on the intel side of the house when things are deemed not credible enough, then a week later there's a bomb there. And I'm just a tech to fix equipment so I only know what I get told or see while I'm working. The only direct effect is at a place near the Pak boarder I spend time at that takes incomming mortar rounds daily is we cant counter fire because they shoot from near a cell phone tower we can't risk blowing up.

When the guys talked about how some of his policies are good, yet by the time they trickle down to the line units they are so fucked up they're sometimes dangerous is very true. Our brigade lost two guys because they couldn't shoot someone that was "suspicious" until it was too late and the guy blew himself up.

I'd still have someone like him in charge, who has a lot of experience with SF and unconventional warfare than some politician with stars on his chest.

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I'd shoot them bastards too!!

Hah, I've not seen any camel spiders in this part of Afghanistan. There's just giant angry ants and the occasional 4' monitor lizard. Well and malaria but I think it's too hot in this valley for mosquitos.

**Kracka** · 06-23-2010

Forced resignation...I better stop posting my opinions of Obama before black Tahoes roll up and take me and my family away.

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-23-2010

Here's a short recap of what was actually in the article.

Obama is a fool.

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/pol...kdown/#slide=1

**Goat Blower** · 06-23-2010

That's no surprise. He gets his panties in a wad anytime he gets any criticism, yet he blames everybody under the sun for anything that happens and bad mouths them to no end. He's a spoiled child that clearly has no idea what he's doing, but proudly fakes his way through it, at America's expense.

**Kracka** · 06-25-2010

Good work Obama, you just gave them even more ammunition!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapc...s.afghanistan/

**1ViciousGSX** · 06-25-2010

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Good work Obama, you just gave them even more ammunition!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapc...s.afghanistan/

You can bet they will use it to rally the Taliban terrorist into becoming more active and dangerous.