Race Fuel

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Anyone interested in their own barrels of race fuel? We mostly deal with VP Fuels at the shop. Their are a few types of fuel some of you might be interested in.

C16
117 motor octane leaded
Designed for use in boosted and nitrous engines.
What we normally run on our cars at the shop for high boost.

VP Import
120+ motor octane leaded
Crazy expensive

Performance Unleaded
(R+M)/2 rating of 100 octane

Motorsport 103
(R+M)/2 rating of 103 unleaded
99 Motor octane

Available in 54, 30, 15 and 5 gallon sizes.

[Alpine TSi]

What would be the price of a 5 gallon barrel of C16?

And sorry about the noob question but what would be the downfall of using leaded on a DSM? Or is there none?

[LightningGSX]

I would imagine it would kill your catalytic converter(if you have one) and decrease the life and accuracy of any o2 sensors, other than that I'd think the effects would be minimal.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

You can't use leaded fuel at all if you have a catalytic converter. The lead will slowly hurt your O2 sensor, but if your O2 sensor is in ok shape it should still last you a couple years with often summer weekend use of the leaded fuel. You might have to replace your O2 sensor every couple years if you use leaded a lot, but thats just a cost of racing. Fouling plugs is another small problem, but we usually bring some with to the track or dyno and put them in before even wasting a run on the leaded fuel.

The 5 gallon ones are probably going to be a bit too expensive to justify getting them. I need to find out the current pricing for the fuels this year, but it is cheaper in larger quantities. You can usually get 5 gallons from our drum at Elite cheaper than buying one that small for yourself.

[Nash]

How much for a 30 gallon of c16?

[JET]

I would like the price on both the 30 and 54 gallon of C16.

[Alpine TSi]

You can't use leaded fuel at all if you have a catalytic converter. The lead will slowly hurt your O2 sensor, but if your O2 sensor is in ok shape it should still last you a couple years with often summer weekend use of the leaded fuel. You might have to replace your O2 sensor every couple years if you use leaded a lot, but thats just a cost of racing. Fouling plugs is another small problem, but we usually bring some with to the track or dyno and put them in before even wasting a run on the leaded fuel.

Yeah I thought about the cat thing and am more than glad I don't have one. Now with needing to replacing an o2 sensor every two years does anyone know the cost of the Bosch wideband used in the kit MachV sells for 350? I have one of those kits on the way and just want to know ho much that sensor costs on its own, seeing as how I may be needing them in the future and can't find a price anywhere..

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Leaded gas is very hard on some of those wideband O2 sensors. They probably won't last quite as long with heavy leaded gas use, but if you want to go fast then you get used to replacing parts like that and clutches and trannies.

I will try to get some prices on Monday. The prices have gone up over the last coupel years, but it's mostly been due to transportation costs due to rising diesel fuel prices. It costs a bit more to get C16 up here than it does in Texas.

[JET]

The bosch LSU4 sensors used to be under $40 each, but I don't know if they are still that low. I have 5 sitting here, so I am not too worried about it :P I think I went through 2 of them last year (on my 3rd one). I killed one in one night running that crap 100 octane from Old Colony (only time leaded was run in it).

[Shane@DBPerformance]

I should have the new 2004 prices tomorrow. But if the price hasn't gone up much then it will probably be something like $432 for a 54 gallon C16, $259.50 for a 30 gallon, $138 for a 15 gallon, and $48 for a 5 gallon. We sold the C16 for $9 a gallon from our 54 gallon barrels last year, so some of the smaller sizes aren't any cheaper, but you get something to store it in. I think with the 54 and 30 gallon drums you get $10 back when you return an empty. I am not sure if they do anything for the 15 and 5 gallon cans.

[Jacek]

$138 for a 15 gallon

there goes my full tank thought :uh:

[Shane@DBPerformance]

C16 is expensive shit. It will support over 30psi. You can get away with something a bit cheaper if your running a safe tune and a lot less boost. VP Import is more than twice the cost of the C16. And then there is VP C44/C46 which is almost 4 times the cost of C16.

[Goat Blower]

I guess my other post got deleted.

I might be interested in a barrel for the shop. I'll have to see how finances go.

[520Talon]

How about a $ on the 100 unleaded. I currently run leaded with no problems to the O2 or cat. But why press my luck if this can come close to the cost.

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Originally posted by 520Talon@Feb 17 2004, 11:59 AM
How about a $ on the 100 unleaded. I currently run leaded with no problems to the O2 or cat. But why press my luck if this can come close to the cost.

What size? The Performance unleaded and MS 103 should be more than $100 less than the C16 in 54 drum size. Lemme know what size your looking for. I have to do a bunch of price figuring for freight, clean up fee, inspection fee, MN motor fuel tax and then there is an extra excise tax on unleaded fuels.

[SlowWhite]

How would the shipping work? meaning is it all just going to be dropped off at Elite and then it's up to us to get it to our house's?


-brian

[Shane@DBPerformance]

Originally posted by SlowWhite@Feb 20 2004, 08:31 AM
How would the shipping work? meaning is it all just going to be dropped off at Elite and then it's up to us to get it to our house's?


-brian

Yea, that's how we have done it in the past.

[Goat Blower]

Originally posted by 520Talon@Feb 17 2004, 11:59 AM
How about a $ on the 100 unleaded. I currently run leaded with no problems to the O2 or cat. But why press my luck if this can come close to the cost.

Shit, you can just go up to Rogers and pump that in yourself. It was $2.99 a gallon last fall.