Back at it again...

slowbubblecar · 02-08-2010

Not sure what I am thinking, but I bought another dsm. The road course stuff has got me interested in possibly joining a club (SCCA or NASA) and I bought a 95 AWD talon to use for my car. I was originally thinking about building a V8 rx7 or 240sx, but determined it would be better to use a car that I have experience messing with instead. The car is 100% stock but has some miles on it. It runs well though.

I will be gutting the car to the bare minimum, installing a cage, changing the suspension, throwing in a 6 bolt and setting up the car for around 300-350whp.

I don't expect the project to move very quickly, but it should be fun when it is completed. The car will probably see HPDEs more than anything but I would eventually like to be SCCA or NASA certified. Since I will be modifying the car, I will be required to drive in a higher class so I don't plan on being competitive unless I get at least a few years in.

I don't have any pics with me (out of town for work) but will post some up when I get back.

sleepydsm · 02-08-2010

Hahaha, as you guys are selling them all, go buy another one. Do DSMers ever really let go?

**LingLing** · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

Not sure what I am thinking, but I bought another dsm. The road course stuff has got me interested in possibly joining a club (SCCA or NASA) and I bought a 95 AWD talon to use for my car. I was originally thinking about building a V8 rx7 or 240sx, but determined it would be better to use a car that I have experience messing with instead. The car is 100% stock but has some miles on it. It runs well though.

I will be gutting the car to the bare minimum, installing a cage, changing the suspension, throwing in a 6 bolt and setting up the car for around 300-350whp.

I don't expect the project to move very quickly, but it should be fun when it is completed. The car will probably see HPDEs more than anything but I would eventually like to be SCCA or NASA certified. Since I will be modifying the car, I will be required to drive in a higher class so I don't plan on being competitive unless I get at least a few years in.

I don't have any pics with me (out of town for work) but will post some up when I get back.

I've always been interested in doing something like SCCA. The 1320 is fun, but....well, it's only a 1320. I've never really seriously looked in to it, but all my friends that do it love...Maybe I'll follow suit!

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Originally Posted by sleepydsm

Do DSMers ever really let go?

We may try, but we can never fully let go.

slowbubblecar · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by sleepydsm

Hahaha, as you guys are selling them all, go buy another one. Do DSMers ever really let go?

Not sure. I am not specifically tied to dsms in any way. Just found the car for a good deal and decided to try this car. The hardest thing for me to figure out is what kind of turbo I want to go with. I want to go bigger than the 16g/HTA 68, but am not sure what would work best. I am considering throwing on a 60 trim I have here to see how it does initially. Otherwise I might go with a GT30R or something similar.

If anyone knows of any good places to buy roll cages or some good wire tuck threads, LMK. I still need to do a bit of research in those areas.

**goodhart** · 02-08-2010

Haha back into DSM's....again! Let me know whenever you need a hand on the car if you plan on working on it in Isanti, I'll be out there quite a bit to work on mine the next couple months.

Matt D. · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

Not sure. I am not specifically tied to dsms in any way. Just found the car for a good deal and decided to try this car. The hardest thing for me to figure out is what kind of turbo I want to go with. I want to go bigger than the 16g/HTA 68, but am not sure what would work best. I am considering throwing on a 60 trim I have here to see how it does initially. Otherwise I might go with a GT30R or something similar.

Considering this is a road race car I'd want something with good response that is properly sized versus something that will ultimately make big top end power. There is an autocross Evo that had an FP Green on it a couple years ago, he dominated his class nationally and the car was plenty responsive and made 400ish on 100 octane.

turbotalon1g · 02-08-2010

IF u can use E85 I think a 16ghta would be mint.
Good luck with the project

**mlomker** · 02-08-2010

This sounds fun!

slowbubblecar · 02-08-2010

I am not set on making big power, but I am "thinking" that I would be able to keep something around the size of a 60 trim spooled on the track assuming I am in the right gear. I would rather try it out before paying $700 for the HTA 16g or around the same price for a used 30r. I am pretty sure E85 is ok for club racing as some of the road racers on Tuners use it but I am not 100% sure yet.

Goodhart- The car will probably be kept in Isanti for the most part.

**Halon** · 02-08-2010

Good luck! John (pushit) i believe is doing cages for a decent price.

turbotalon1g · 02-08-2010

My bad I didn't read that u already had the 60, As i have never road raced before, what kind of power band is suited for that?
You get to use some of the higher gears?

I'm not too far out from Isanti I would like to see what kind of car suits this kind of racing.

Andrew7dg · 02-08-2010

It is good that the DSM is being put to good use by driving it in SCCA or NASA! I am getting sick of mine just sitting around. I want to put a cage in it and start having fun also!

Matt D. · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

I am not set on making big power, but I am "thinking" that I would be able to keep something around the size of a 60 trim spooled on the track assuming I am in the right gear. I would rather try it out before paying $700 for the HTA 16g or around the same price for a used 30r. I am pretty sure E85 is ok for club racing as some of the road racers on Tuners use it but I am not 100% sure yet.

What I'm saying is that you'd be able to modulate the power of a smaller turbo easier than that of a larger turbo. You don't want to hammer the throttle coming out of the corner, have the turbo spool and the car decide to swap ends. Fun, maybe. Friendly, no.

slowbubblecar · 02-08-2010

The 16g has a great powerband for a road race car, but at this time, I am willing to sacrifice a little on the bottom end to be able to pull on the straighter sections. For boost, I want to stay in the lower to mid 20psi range and am not sure I will be happy with the power output of the 16g at that level (maybe I am wrong though). Also, if I decide to do SCCA or NASA, I will likely have one of the slower cars in the class regardless of how good/bad I drive.

The closer tracks, BIR, Road America and MAM all have decent straights so I should be able to generate some speed. In the viper, I was able to get into the 130s on the short course (BIR) and over 150 on the long course. I am sure I could probably do a little better on the long course once I get a little more seat time.

I will probably start selling some of my viper parts to put towards this car. I have enough in parts to put down around 800-900whp with the viper, but I don't see any good use for that power.

slowbubblecar · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by Matt D.

What I'm saying is that you'd be able to modulate the power of a smaller turbo easier than that of a larger turbo. You don't want to hammer the throttle coming out of the corner, have the turbo spool and the car decide to swap ends. Fun, maybe. Friendly, no.

I know what you mean. If it doesn't fit what I want, I have no problem yanking it off and trying something else. I just figured I would try it first as it is just sitting here and I was happy with the power level it has last time I used it.

turbotalon1g · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by slowbubblecar

BLah blah blah

I will probably start selling some of my viper parts to put towards this car. I have enough in parts to put down around 800-900whp with the viper, but I don't see any good use for that power.

I edited your post a little

, but my question to the bold statement. WTF man, are you serious put that shit on.

I just found a board down here with sick cars a lotta boost vipers etc, and these dudes love their track racing (not drag)

Probably bad I just watched underground racing videos too.

my vote F DSM, Moar power to VIper and suspension and traction setup. Then run on a low power tune for the track if need be.

turbotalon1g · 02-08-2010

2Gs handle better than 1Gs though right, or take better to mods?

I like your original idea of RX7 or 240 or something that is more pure sports car.

slowbubblecar · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

I edited your post a little

, but my question to the bold statement. WTF man, are you serious put that shit on.

I just found a board down here with sick cars a lotta boost vipers etc, and these dudes love their track racing (not drag)

Probably bad I just watched underground racing videos too.

my vote F DSM, Moar power to VIper and suspension and traction setup. Then run on a low power tune for the track if need be.

There are many viper guys in TX. The big hp guys primarily do 1/4 mile, the Texas mile, and the TX2k (you should see them next month). We was thinking of preping one of the vipers better for the track but figured I wouldn't have the guts to try it competitively with one of those cars. Body parts are too expensive. We chose to do the dsm so we could attend SCCA classes and possibly become licensed.

We are still thinking of setting up one of our cars a little better by adding some of the parts we have though. We might throw the following parts on one of them:

-Big brake upgrade
-swap to a rear end with bigger gears
-Throw the ported heads/aftermarket cam in

The ported head/cam swap should get it into the 550-600whp range and the other parts should help somewhat. Any more power than that on the road course would probably be useless. We could turn in the shocks a little (factory ones have adjustable stiffness) but we would probably leave the rest of the suspension stock as it is expensive and the car turns fairly well as it is. We would want to be able to drive the car comfortably on the streets as well.

slowbubblecar · 02-08-2010

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Originally Posted by turbotalon1g

2Gs handle better than 1Gs though right, or take better to mods?

I like your original idea of RX7 or 240 or something that is more pure sports car.

From what I have read, 2gs are easier to make turn than 1gs. That being said, it is coming from what I have read on tuners and I have not tested them on a track personally. There are a few guys with 1gs on tuners that are really good and I have seen some good 1g videos though.

A 240 or RX7 probably is a better choice long term, but I don't have the time to really learn either car and have never worked on a V8 before. I have spent a lot of time reading about them but am too busy to go through the swap. Most of the ones that are for sale are also overpriced IMO. I could buy another viper for the price some people put out there...

turbotalon1g · 02-08-2010

ah. makes sense. Good plan you got there. Vipers are awesome, if $$$ ever worked out I would pick one up in a heartbeat for my next project.

Anywho, I hope to make that TX2k10 if my friends down here are still going.

PM me some info on used Vipers. please.