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Kracka
06-24-2015, 10:52 AM
Won't be long before the American flag is deemed "racist", just wait. What then?
It already has been. Remember the school in CA?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/11/professors-us-flag-symbolizes-racism-should-not-be-displayed-on-campus.html
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/americans-now-racist-for-waving-u-s-flag/
1ViciousGSX
06-24-2015, 11:07 AM
It already has been. Remember the school in CA?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/11/professors-us-flag-symbolizes-racism-should-not-be-displayed-on-campus.html
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/americans-now-racist-for-waving-u-s-flag/
I remember, but it hasn't gotten traction like the Confederate flag has. At least not yet, but it's coming,....
I think we should ban the Democratic party, they have done more to incite racism and hold down the black community than any other group has.
A//// Guy
06-24-2015, 11:19 AM
I agree with Curt. The mass meaning of the confederate flag took a negative turn in the 1950s when the KKK adopted it along with other racist groups as a tribute to pro white and pro slavery.
You dont see anyone waiving the old 13 star colony flag in tribute to fallen soldiers... There are only a couple reasons people still fly the confederate flag.
The main historical reason pertained to the Southern states of the confederacy, the losing party of the civil war and anti big govt values. Then theres the other side which has to do with racism. When groups of pro white people adopted the confederate flag, that changed things.
If that wouldnt have happened, there would be no issue with the flag IMO. Once that type of thing happens, it takes on a different connotation over time. Especially with new generations who dont know the entire history on the subject, only what they might see on TV, or movies that probably have to do with racism.
1ViciousGSX
06-24-2015, 11:21 AM
So,....... What about freedom of speech?
Kracka
06-24-2015, 11:25 AM
You dont see anyone waiving the old 13 star colony flag
You sure do on the east coast! It's fairly common actually, I saw multiple last time I was out there.
Especially with new generations who dont know the entire history on the subject, only what they might see on TV, or movies that probably have to do with racism.
Ignorance and/or lack of education is not a good excuse.
A//// Guy
06-24-2015, 11:28 AM
This doesnt have to do with freedom of speech, it has to do with states proudly displaying something that has a negative impact at this time in history.
If people still want to fly their confederate flag, go ahead. But the majority of people who view the flag based on race relations will not want State or Govt entities to promote it.
The nazi flag originally had a positive meaning of german power, not so much after what ended up happening.
Take a look at the swastika, dont think anyones still waiving that around positively after WW2.
Swastika-
It is considered to be a sacred and auspicious symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.[3]
It has been used as a decorative element in various cultures since at least the Neolithic, and is found on a man's tunic depicted in a Roman mosaic at the Villa Romana del Casale in Sicily. It is known most widely as an important symbol long used in Indian religions, denoting "auspiciousness." It was adopted as such in pre-World War I-Europe and later, and most notably, by the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany prior to World War II. In many Western countries, the swastika has been stigmatized because of its use in Nazism.[4] It continues to be commonly used as a religious symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism.[3] - Wiki
A//// Guy
06-24-2015, 11:30 AM
You sure do on the east coast! It's fairly common actually, I saw multiple last time I was out there.
Ignorance and/or lack of education is not a good excuse.
Where did you see those being flown? I didnt see any in DC or VA when I was there a few months ago... Only in the museums we went to.
1ViciousGSX
06-24-2015, 11:36 AM
Can't have your cake and eat it to. Either we have free speech or we don't
Can't regulate away everything somebody dislikes.
I don't see anybody criticizing the Black Panther's flag and what it means,.... How about ISIS,... How about the LGBT flag,... and so on, there will always be somebody not liking it.
A//// Guy
06-24-2015, 11:38 AM
I agree, and it comes down to the people speaking out, always has. When the mass disapproves, you will get some movement. Like it or not.
Alpha D
06-24-2015, 11:44 AM
Is it really what the confederate flag represented or what comes to mind when people see the flag that is causing issues? How can you guys not understand that? I get the its not suppose to be racist its not suppose to be bad...people fought and died for it. Why did they have to fight though? Why did people die for it? What was some of the most controversial rights and behaviors the confederate states wanted to keep? Maybe that is what offends people???
I dont understand the waving Mexican flag at graduation comment lol how many times have you not seen Olympic athletes have two flags one for the team they rep the other for their heritage. People cant die for one spectrum and be completely oblivious to the other side. If anything that is way more un educated then somebody getting offended at a image that brings bad memories to mind even though this image itself was suppose to stand for freedom lol RIDICOUleeezzz yo!
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