Proving Grounds 2012

[turbotalon1g]

^I did it with my car, its a waste of time.

My honda would make it there no problems unlike your DSM :op

[niterydr]

So the "stock appearing" 3/s crowd would be the TD04 based turbo's, or would we need to run stock housings, or TD04 housings? Can I run a slightly larger WRX compressor housing on my setup or do I have to hog out a 9b housing (stock turbo) to fit?

My opinion is that intercooling should be open. SMIC, FMIC, Water to Air. Most manufacturers have experimented with one, if not all 3, forms, and that is as bolt-on today as exhaust is. Unopened motors, stock displacement motors is where the line should be drawn for "stock appearing"

I've always liked "stock location, stock displacement" classes, keeps it open to creativity and puts definitive limits on what can and cannot be done.

[Tachyon]

Brandon, I was running a good sized FMIC last year, and it got heat soaked to hell after even 1 run (dropping about 3 MPH in that 90* ambient heat). I cannot even imagine a SMIC being remotely competitive with the boost levels needed to run on such small turbos. If aftermarket FMICs are not allowed, you might as well call this the Stock appearing Evo class.

But a lot of good discussion all around here... I am really torn between enforcing a stock appearing (something like under Scheides' hood) or, having it competitive for as many cars as possible. My gut says the solution might be having an additional class for the grey area cars (such as mine) where it's limited physically by the compressor size that are typically seen on mitsu platforms seen on the street (4-500 whp stuff). 1-point to enforce; should make it fairly easy.

[v8klla]

Maybe we should have two separate stock appearing classes, one for DSM/3S and another for Evo 8 & 9/Evo X? Allow 2g guys to run TD05 variants and let FMIC's slide? Personally I would also prefer to see manifold replacements slide as well, I know that its no longer "stock appearing" but its a pretty common upgrade for Evo guys...

[turbotalon1g]

I think because this is an import not just mitsu only event you guys should just hold the turbos to be stock appearing, meaning the comp. covers, hotsides, and maybe inlet sizes anyone looking beyond that is trying to be a pain.

I think that way tech would have an easier time checking out cars, IMO.

Also I think that you need to setup more classes regardless, something between stock appearing and 135-140 MPH cars.

Maybe an few index classes with .5 sec increments. starting with 11.0 or 10.5 then go up to about 12 secs?

If you let the manifold stuff slide then you can just concentrate the it being a "stock appearing turbo" class where all you have to concentrate is the turbo.

[turbotalon1g]

rules?

[v8klla]

Nick is supposed to be working on them, holler at your boy and get him motivated ;)

[turbotalon1g]

lol, will do. He said something about Dan to me when I asked him earlier.