Proving Grounds 2012

[turbotalon1g]

Its not bad, I think since map is used to seeing most of the cars that will be there they would be able to tell if a car has a non-stock turbo on it really and if it has some crazy snake manifold well that is obvious too.

I'm sure most of the shops around here could tell. (Not me)

[munchgsx]

I don't have an ETA on when we'll be able to set the rules in stock, but I know you guys are trying to plan around it so I'll do my best. In regards to what will fly and what won't I don't see any MHI turbo being an issue, its the E cover or larger T3 based stuff that should probably be classed separately, do you agree?

Not exactly basing it on the flange. Note is says MHI not Mitsu flange. I think this will mean any Mitsu based turbo ie t25, t28, 13g, 14b, 16g, 18g, 20g, 25g, EF 1 2 3 4, FP green red black, you get my drift.



Correct me if I'm wrong Chris.

[Halon]

Not exactly basing it on the flange. Note is says MHI not Mitsu flange.

I was referring to this post:

... Base it around the actual flange on the turbo IMHO, ...

[v8klla]

No matter what we do someone's not going to be happy about it. If you take "stock appearing" literally 2g guys are stuck with a T25/T28, 1g guys can get into a 20g or thereabouts, Evo 8 & 9 could run standard housing EF3/FP Red, and an Evo X could probably sneak by with an EF4 / FP Black setup based on their turbo inlet configuration. When I think about this class I feel a 20g/EF2/FP green should be the largest turbocharger allowed but how do we go about enforcing that?

[CornFed2.4]

Just set the rules as need be, and will have to follow them. Your never gonna make everyone happy, but if you make at least 75% your doing good. Also, at first glance if it looks stock your good to go.

[Pushit2.0]

Just run the rules like any other sanctioning body. If it looks legit in tech let it run. But if you have someone cleaning house by some insane margin make them prove there setup is legal by the rule book. Then its up to the people racing in that class to ensure they are as legal and as fast as possible.

[turbotalon1g]

Big thanks for the effort here, I understand totally that you won't please everyone.

I don't know a lot about stock appearing turbos on other cars, but maybe if you educate us a little on their setups/looks we could be more help rather than just mitsu specific.

I think you are on the right track with MHI turbo, but I think a stock appearing turbo would be a good start with 16G/TDO5 (not sure if thats right) allowable for 2Gs.

No E-cover turbos for DSMs basically, evo's will be able to take the cake though since they have the FP/EFx line of turbos to pick from.

I'm not sure how this affects other car brands though. I'm interested in the other rules for the cars too, tires, full exhaust, etc.

I think if you set up more classes it might take the strain off of you guys for setting up a stock appearing/stock appearing turbo class.

[cmspaz]

I think if you set up more classes it might take the strain off of you guys for setting up a stock appearing/stock appearing turbo class.
I agree completely. The disconnect between what's allowed in Stock Appearing vs True Street is quite large.

[CornFed2.4]

Agree with Aaron, but I wanna know like FPR, FMIC, FP mani, ect...

Evos won't take the cake you auto 1G guys are lighter (I think). Plus they still have to drive there cars. LOL

[turbotalon1g]

It's funny you guys think 1.79+ 60 fts are automagic I was cutting 1.68s -1.70s in my 5 spds all day even with the scm61.

Autos are about 3300+lbs so they are pretty damn close with the evos.
I'm just trying to make a podium finish behind munchgsx and whoever else takes 2nd, assuming I can even make it.