Do not idle for more than 3 minutes or else..

[bertrenolds5]

I am pretty sure it is 30%, I read an article in ski magazine called mr.turnoff about a guy who would turn ideling cars off in the mountains because there is a law against ideling because of mountains preventing smog from escaping. Think about all the truckers that let theit trucks idle 24/7, busses sitting at bus stops for 15min, people sitting in traffic, I would say 30% is an underestimation.
And you do deal with smog here, They have days where the air is so bad they tell people with asma to stay inside. And if you watch the local weather channel you would see that the air quality level is rarely at the good level, it is usually at the moderate level. Where do you think it is going to be in 5 years with all of the polution we create, US alone uses 1/4 of the world oil supply.

[merkzu]

I didn't realize ski magazine was such a reliable source of information on gasoline usage. I would kick that guys ass if he touched my car

[Kracka]

I didn't realize ski magazine was such a reliable source of information on gasoline usage. I would kick that guys ass if he touched my car

Burt has been posting his info/source, since you're arguing with everything he says why don't you post up some info/sources to back your side up?

[bertrenolds5]

hahaha hilarious, I think ski magazine is a vary reliable source! I can scan the article for you. this is not the ski magazine article, 1.5billion gallons wasted ideling each year http://www.norwichbulletin.com/news/environment/x1611223141

[merkzu]

I'm not arguing the amount of fuel used idling. 30% does seem high, and a skiing magazine as the source seemed dubious but I'm not saying it isn't true. My argument is that it is no business of the government. If I want to spend my money to buy gas so I can idle running the heat, A/C, my laptop, tv or really just because I feel like it, why shouldnt I be able to?

How does me idling infringe on your freedom? I think what the law really says is that someone else feels like they are paying too much for gas, so they are going to tell me what I can and can't do with mine so they can get theirs cheaper.

Who's infringing on whos rights?

If the trucking/cab/etc companies want to save some money they can cut down on the idling, but maybe they have weighed the pro's and con's and decided the extra money for gas is worth it, whatever their reasons may be. The point is it is their money and their gas and their trucks.

[bertrenolds5]

Yeah, 30% of fuel used in idling? Maybe 3%, and then who cares. We have no problems with smog here, and keeping people from idling their cars will have zero effect on anything, environment, gas prices, children in Africa.
I may be a dumb dsm'er but atleast I know the facts.

[Kracka]

I love children in Africa!

[bertrenolds5]

We live in a society where everyone depends on the government to tell them what to do, if you don't agree then you are lying to yourself. We are told what we can and cannot do every day by the govt. You do have the freedom to do what ever you want with your gas but when the extra pollution your car is creating from all of the unnecessary idling is causing the air quality to shift into the unhealthy air quality category. You are taking away the rights of people with asthma and other respertory illnesses to be able to go outside and breath. Or when the air quality is as bad as it is in Tokyo, the rights of everyone to be able to go outside and breathe clean air. I was reading they have oxygen stations around the city because normal air contains 21%oxygen and in Tokyo it is around 12% I think it said. Anyways, if you are somewhat intelligent when it comes to the real world you would know pollution is bad, cars pollute, idling creates unnecessary pollution and wastes fuel causing there to be less fuel driving up the prices for everyone else. Everyone loses from idling, even you merkzu.

[xveganxcowboyx]

I'm not thrilled about the city passing a law about this. I don't like to be told what to do. I'd be more comfortable with an ad campaign or something similar encouraging people to not idle unnecessarily, but you can't dispute that idling is a waste and adds to pollution.

T oadd to this strategy, I would also add some wisdom from a city planner that was on public radio the other day. Road design does not encourage efficient fuel usage. He suggested replacing most stop sogns with round abouts that would allow people to continue moving. Idling at stop signs and lights, then having to reaccelerate to speed is a big waste of fuel.

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

Idling causes GLOBAL WARMING!!!